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Re: Ask HN: Can you recommend an “instant-switch” Monitor? Does one exist?

#11
My old LG 27UD88 switches in about 1 second when pressing the relevant hotkey in Lunar (https://lunar.fyi/)

It’s not instant but input switching through DDC is the fastest possible method.

That’s because the input that will be switched to is already connected and receiving video in the background, skipping the HDMI/DP protocol handshake and going straight into rendering the new video on the screen.

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post #11

My old LG 27UD88 switches in about 1 second when pressing the relevant hotkey in Lunar ( https://lunar.fyi/ ) It’s not instant but input switching through DDC is the fastest possible method. That’s because the input that will be switched to is already connected and receiving video in the background, skipping the HDMI/DP protocol handshake and going straight into rendering the new video on the screen.

yeah I think also that with macbook the display is constantly sending video to the display (as there is no way to disable extenral displays).

Re: Ask HN: Can you recommend an “instant-switch” Monitor? Does one exist?

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post #10

There are hardware limitations that make what you're asking for impossible. Use software solutions if you actually need instant switch. But you probably don't.

What are the hardware limitations? Surely this is possible if there was investment and interest in making this work? Or do the protocols really not allow this?

In theory you could have a monitor that handles both signals all the time, buffering the output. Then it could switch immediately.

It would however be more expensive, since you would need to duplicate at least some of the electronics within the monitor, a few of which also incur licensing/certification/patent/whatever fees.

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There are hardware limitations that make what you're asking for impossible. Use software solutions if you actually need instant switch. But you probably don't.

What's impossible about it? I've seen devices in the past that can combine multiple HDMI signals into a single image (like picture-in-picture, or making one high-res display out of several lower-res video connections). And if you can do that, surely you can do instant switching just by toggling between "full screen input 1" and "full screen input 2" layouts.

Re: Ask HN: Can you recommend an “instant-switch” Monitor? Does one exist?

#15
If you can get HDMI from all your sources, something like this might work for 1080p: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1507214-REG/blackmagi...

More options, like if you need higher res: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/Live-Switcher/ci/2865

Re: Ask HN: Can you recommend an “instant-switch” Monitor? Does one exist?

#16
You'll need a fancy KVM switch that does more than merely acting much like a physical switch would.

Something like this should probably work:

https://www.rextron.com/product-4K-2-Port-Full-Frame-PBP-KVM...

Edit: The one above is merely the first one I found, not a recommendation.

Be aware that such things may incur extra latency, since it's not just passing signals through, but rather processing them and repackaging them.

Re: Ask HN: Can you recommend an “instant-switch” Monitor? Does one exist?

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the hardware limitations? Surely this is possible if there was investment and interest in making this work? Or do the protocols really not allow this?

In theory you could have a monitor that handles both signals all the time, buffering the output. Then it could switch immediately. It would however be more expensive, since you would need to duplicate at least some of the electronics within the monitor, a few of which also incur licensing/certification/patent/whatever fees.

Why would you buffer? Monitors are capable of playing full-screen video, which implies the ability to update every pixel once per... 30hz? frame, doesn't it?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In theory you could have a monitor that handles both signals all the time, buffering the output. Then it could switch immediately. It would however be more expensive, since you would need to duplicate at least some of the electronics within the monitor, a few of which also incur licensing/certification/patent/whatever fees.

Why would you buffer? Monitors are capable of playing full-screen video, which implies the ability to update every pixel once per... 30hz? frame, doesn't it?

Because when you want instant switching you need to already have the data you want to display available the moment someone flips the switch.

You can't just tell the computer that you're now interested in the display data of the other display - that would incur latency.

You'll have to be receiving the information for the second display the entire time, storing it in what is commonly called a framebuffer, aka a bitmap in memory somewhere.

Most types of display have such a thing backing them anyways - one way or another - since they need to remember what they're supposed to display.

Re: Ask HN: Can you recommend an “instant-switch” Monitor? Does one exist?

#19
I suspect there is a tiny CPU inside the monitor that looks at a variety of things before deciding how to decode the signal and present it. As @alin23 notes, DDC protocol is also handled. Obviously the manufacturers are using the lowest cost BOM that they can get away with and that would probably mean a $1 microprocessor in charge of the "smarts".

Re: Ask HN: Can you recommend an “instant-switch” Monitor? Does one exist?

#20
If I were you I'd use a hardware KVM device that goes to a single input source on the monitor and keep the monitor always-on with a black screen saver to prevent burn-in.

I was in a similar situation when I wanted a easy way to switch between speakers/headphone at any time without messing with settings or apps. I ended up using a physical switch. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008BMLXAU/

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