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Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by systemvoltage »

cmatthias wrote: post #765
pg wrote: post #350

I'm not leaving Twitter. It seems more likely than not that Elon will reverse the ban on links to other social media sites. I just don't want to hang out there in the meantime. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn about alternatives. I still think Elon is a smart guy. His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out…

> I still think Elon is a smart guy. > Plus I don't think he realizes that the techniques that work for cars and rockets don't work in social media. Given his behavior and the results over the last ~month or however long he's owned Twitter, how can both of these possibly be true?

My prediction is that Elon will realize how badly he is fucking up things and change. I was listening to All-in-podcast and there was a really good comment that was made - "He[Elon] needs to just get back to landing rockets on barges" which I agree, moderating and micromanaging a massive social media platform doesn't feel like a good use of his time.

Edit: annnnd he reversed the whole thing and apologized: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604616863673208832

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by rizoma_dev »

pg wrote: post #350

I'm not leaving Twitter. It seems more likely than not that Elon will reverse the ban on links to other social media sites. I just don't want to hang out there in the meantime. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn about alternatives. I still think Elon is a smart guy. His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out…

It appears you won't be returning to twitter

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by irthomasthomas »

pg wrote: post #350

I'm not leaving Twitter. It seems more likely than not that Elon will reverse the ban on links to other social media sites. I just don't want to hang out there in the meantime. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn about alternatives. I still think Elon is a smart guy. His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out…

I was just about to share your tweet, and... account suspended. Things sure do escalate quickly, these days!

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by mcv »

LegitShady wrote: post #737
mcv wrote: post #658

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. I used to think that too, but I've since come across a story that SpaceX actually has people who's informal job is to manage him, and they present their ideas in such a way that he thinks they're his, in order to keep him happy. He's mostly there to bring money and hype. No idea if that story is true, but honestly, it would explain some things. The impression he's bee…

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> if you want to pretend he has 75 IQ

I don't think anyone has ever argued that. He obviously has above-average IQ. That does not automatically make his claims of working on rocket designs himself, credible. In fact, I think those claims put credence to the story that they present ideas in such a way that he thinks he's designing rockets himself.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by TuringTest »

EarlKing wrote: post #582
TuringTest wrote: post #335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can they brag about freedom of expression and then forbid promoting their competitors through their site? [1] They are well within their rights to do so, but that's the exact opposite of competing purely in the market of ideas. 1. https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/social-platfo...

...except they don't do that. This is no different than Reddit's own policies on spam and self-promotion. You're expected to use the site for discussion and building community, not directing people elsewhere. If the latter is your goal then you can pay for advertising. What's changed here is that people who previously were given free reign to promote themselves without paying a dime are now being told they need to pa…

Well I find hard to sympathize with the people saying that horrible abuse will not be moderated because "free speech", yet mentioning the fact that you use other social media apps will get your account banned as "unpaid self-promotion".

It doesn't inspire confidence in that their previous stance was truly motivated by their love of the unrestricted diffusion of ideas.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by dang »

Related ongoing thread:

Twitter Suspends PG's Account - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34044047

I'm moving the current thread (the earlier one) off the front page, partly because these are more or less the same story, but mostly because the traffic on this is boiling our poor server and I need to resort to tricks. Sorry all!

In case you're not aware: you need to click on the "more comments" links at the bottom of the pages to get to the rest of the thread; also, you can make HN faster by logging out when it's keeling over. Also, genuine performance improvements shouldn't be too far off now.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by xupybd »

concordDance wrote: post #743
xupybd wrote: post #715

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there anything about this comment that is attracting the down votes? I would like to avoid future mistakes.

Don't say anything that could be seen as positive about Elon Musk unless you are the founder of this website.

I'm really not trying to say anything positive about him. I'm guessing there are things I don't know and I would like to understand them.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by Moto7451 »

mcv wrote: post #658
pg wrote: post #350

I'm not leaving Twitter. It seems more likely than not that Elon will reverse the ban on links to other social media sites. I just don't want to hang out there in the meantime. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn about alternatives. I still think Elon is a smart guy. His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out…

> His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. I used to think that too, but I've since come across a story that SpaceX actually has people who's informal job is to manage him, and they present their ideas in such a way that he thinks they're his, in order to keep him happy. He's mostly there to bring money and hype. No idea if that story is true, but honestly, it would explain some things. The impression he's bee…

I worked on the Engineering side of compliance at my last job managing Compliance and Security. As part of going public, part of my job was keeping some executives away from the Auditors. This was not because the Auditors wanted information from them that we didn’t want to share, but because the auditors actually had zero interest in what they had to say. I.e. they did not care about Joe Techbro and his Git front end and how it would allow us to avoid having an Internal Audit team (news flash: it didn’t).

All these pointless conversations would slow the process down and the auditors would bill (aggressively) for these pointless interjections.

My job for a while was listening for signs they would do this, create a meeting, take notes, email the notes to our Eng team, and then fein concern. This worked as the audit team were able to do what they needed to do and we went public. Eventually half the people I was playing interference against were asked to leave the company or were otherwise fired for unrelated reasons that I’d roughly group into being unprofessional or poorly prepared for their role.

In my subsequent job (years later and at a multinational) I’ve seen more of this. I’ve learned that at any sufficiently large company there will be at least one person paid to keep one person from messing things up with their presence.

Overall, I find the stories about keeping Elon placated completely believable.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by CryptoBanker »

vkou wrote: post #61
ipsum2 wrote: post #3

It's news to me that that users are not allowed to mention other social networks' accounts on Twitter anymore. Seems short sighted, how many users is Twitter losing to Instagram/Discord/Mastodon?

It's not short-sighted, Twitter is simply championing free speech. Free speech is defined as the intersection between anything-thats-legal and anything-that-doesn't-upset-its-owner.

Are you deliberately trolling?
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