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They are already obsolete for most usages in Norway.
What percentage of cars on the road are EV in Norway?
(I just stuck your comment into Google.)
My fuel economy drops about 20% on my petrol car in cold weather city driving. I don't know what causes the difference, perhaps waiting for the car to warm up and windows to defrost.
In addition to the points made by others, winter gasoline blends lower fuel economy
My fuel economy drops about 20% on my petrol car in cold weather city driving. I don't know what causes the difference, perhaps waiting for the car to warm up and windows to defrost.
EVs upsides and downsides should be considered without it needing to be a comparison to ICE. But, yes, running the heater will use fuel. In this case EVs with "250 miles" range are losing 30%~ of that range for three months of the year and a further 20% over the first three years of their life, making them reliably closer to a 140-mile vehicle. People who are planning round-trip travel or commuting need to know this…
I drove a Chevy Bolt for 4 years, 48k miles, and I never noticed any range degradation, most likely thanks to the strong liquid cooling system for the battery and the inability to fast charge the Bolt faster than 1C (50-55kW fastest charging speed, 60-66kWh size battery means .75-88C) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_charger#C-rate)
Some cars absolutely will degrade like you describe, but that is not a guaranteed outcome for every EV, given the differences in fast charging capabilities and battery cooling capabilities.
I did not get my 238 miles EPA range on the Bolt in the winter, but I could easily get 200+ if I needed to squeeze out more range. I generally got closer to 150 miles not because I was forced to, but because my driving style and heating usage did not generally result in the highest efficiency.
As a Minnesotan with an unheated detached garage, I’d be very interested to know about -40°F performance. We get a couple of those days every year. I have been looking at my next car potentially being an EV and am really curious about the extremes.
A lot of ICE cars won't even start at 40 below. Those cases should count as zero mile range
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Block heaters don't heat the cab, so it's still uncomfortable
Not directly, but the warm water in the block will mean that at least some heat is immediately available once you start the car. The main benefit of block heaters is not in heating the cab, but heating the engine itself so that it's actually possible to start it. That aside, never understood the value of "pre heating" the car interior. If it's that cold, you're wearing a coat and gloves (or should be). Start the car,…
Living in the bay area it's nice that the Teslas have this capability to warm the interior from 55 to 70 before I get in the car. It means I can leave the house in a t shirt in the morning.
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Not directly, but the warm water in the block will mean that at least some heat is immediately available once you start the car. The main benefit of block heaters is not in heating the cab, but heating the engine itself so that it's actually possible to start it. That aside, never understood the value of "pre heating" the car interior. If it's that cold, you're wearing a coat and gloves (or should be). Start the car,…
The value is not having to wear all that gear while driving, and just comfort generally. Living in the bay area it's nice that the Teslas have this capability to warm the interior from 55 to 70 before I get in the car. It means I can leave the house in a t shirt in the morning.
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Nearly every modern gas vehicle has remote start, and has for years. This isn't an EV feature.
Wow. That would be "nearly every modern gas vehicle in north America". Seriously. Running a cold petrol engine under low load in freezing conditions only for heating i just simply a bad idea. Never understood how this is even remotely OK in the US. This is illegal in most of Europe. And for good reason. If it is around Celcius -40 then you would never turn off the vehicle. And a bit over that - there is always the Ru…
Americans value comfort and they get it. Europeans want it too but they can't afford it (taxation and energy scarcity)
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A lot of ICE cars won't even start at 40 below. Those cases should count as zero mile range
To be fair, it typically costs about $50 for a block heater which allows you to start below 40 degrees in an ICE. Whats the solution for EV?
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You'll be fine if you pick a quality EV that does proper battery temperature maintenance. I've been driving a Volt here in Ontario for years no issues. GM & Tesla have put proper engineering into this. Nissan has notoriously cut costs on battery cooling/heating in ways that have led to shortened battery life. Others, your mileage may vary (literally)
Is there a comparison somewhere of the cooling used by different EVs and PHEVs? I know tesla does it right but there is rarely enough information provided by manufacturers to tell if they can take the pack temp below ambient or not. It is by far my largest concern in selecting my next vehicle. I want to wait for the cyber truck, but I am vonsidering the pacifica PHEV