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Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by Imnimo »

pg wrote: post #350

I'm not leaving Twitter. It seems more likely than not that Elon will reverse the ban on links to other social media sites. I just don't want to hang out there in the meantime. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn about alternatives. I still think Elon is a smart guy. His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out…

>Plus I don't think he realizes that the techniques that work for cars and rockets don't work in social media.

>It's remarkable how many people who've never run any kind of company think they know how to run a tech company better than someone who's run Tesla and SpaceX.

If the techniques for cars and rockets don't work in social media, why were people wrong to write him off despite his Tesla and SpaceX experience?

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by ajmurmann »

waprin wrote: post #520
jacquesm wrote: post #432

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Fair enough. I don't think he will be able to salvage this and I've deleted my account to reduce the temptation to return. A reputation is not like a piece of software that you fix and then re-run as though it never broke in the first place. Elon has utterly wrecked his reputation over the last couple of months (and probably longer than that) and it is getting worse, not better. Edit: I guess Paul won't be going back…

Well said, good analogy. There’s the immediate issues of the policy. But there’s the bigger issue of the thought process that led to the policy. One of Elons central criticism of old Twitter management was unfair content moderation policy. And almost immediately he enacts a far worse content policy than anything old management did, in a brazen display of hypocrisy. Even if he reverses course on this one issue, he’s d…

I think even your critical statement gives Elon too much credit. I think he might genuinely think he is doing good, but is just completely out of his depth and is at the same time convinced that he will succeed in improving it. Any thread by Yishsn has more insight to offer on content moderation than Musk is exhibiting and could have easily predicted the failed he makes. Mental issues or his (warranted) arrogance from his incredible past success are clouding his judgment. He also has clearly a lot of penned up culture war anger and might not be aware of that bias either. His behavior is just too erratic to seem like any kind of evil plan. After all he tried to get out of buying Twitter fort months.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by asim »

pg wrote: post #350

I'm not leaving Twitter. It seems more likely than not that Elon will reverse the ban on links to other social media sites. I just don't want to hang out there in the meantime. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn about alternatives. I still think Elon is a smart guy. His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out…

Unfortunately for those who idolised Elon, their world view is beginning to crumble. His actions are not justifiable. The way he treats people, the way he rules his companies, the way he governs his new "free speech" platform. The man is a tyrant. He's idolised for the things he's achieved but if he had not achieved them would he be given the same benefit of the doubt?

Hypocrisy. The way people treat this man versus others who act the same, it's two faced. The who's who of silicon valley were championing him right up until a few hours ago. Everything that he says or does that is deplorable, people eat up. But I guess if he's "changing the world" he should get to be a dick right?

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by topaz0 »

ChadNauseam wrote: post #455
bestcoder69 wrote: post #182

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Dude the other day he said "Automation is inductive proof that Marx is wrong"! A mistake you wouldn't make if you sniffed Marx's wikipedia page, let alone opened your eyes to read it. pg deleted it and posted this response: https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1600122386346450944 (...after, hilariously, Matt Bruenig replied with a correction from ChatGPT - which is also deleted because he auto-deletes tweets.) e: Reading…

Quoting the GP tweet to the one you linked: > You still occasionally hear people saying that founders don't deserve to be rich, because their employees created all the value. But the falsity of this claim becomes increasingly obvious as automation enables founders to grow companies with fewer and fewer employees. Do you disagree with this, or just disagree that it’s in contradiction to Marx?

To start with, "don't deserve [...] because employees created all the value" is a straw man. Lots of other value Out There that they exploit that comes from other places than their employees' labor but also isn't "created" by the founder. Also lots of reasons people shouldn't be rich, whether or not they are founders and whether or not they "created" value.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by dopidopHN »

rglullis wrote: post #437
dopidopHN wrote: post #347

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I created my twitter account when sending tweet via text was still a thing. Never really used it, so I'm not the right demographic. But I do think your approach is the right one. I hope you succeed a breaking even and generate a margin for your time.

Thank you for your kind words. If Twitter/Mastodon is not what you need, perhaps I could interest you in my hosted XMPP and Matrix offerings?

I’m self hosting those, thanks. I did notice your offering in the prices.

Maybe you could benefit from clearer price ? For instance not mixing group prices with prices for single accounts?

Idk I suck at that, but I know all those services pretty well and I was having difficulty to follow prices.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by dehrmann »

belligeront wrote: post #15

Amazing that just a month ago he tweeted[1]: "It's remarkable how many people who've never run any kind of company think they know how to run a tech company better than someone who's run Tesla and SpaceX.". It's been fascinating watching so many VC types ignore so many red flags just because some of Elon's early actions validated their priors (e.g. tech companies are bloated and need to layoff staff). [1] https://twi…

Then today, he said

> I don't think [Musk] realizes that the techniques that work for cars and rockets don't work in social media

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by jacquesm »

andrei_says_ wrote: post #627
jacquesm wrote: post #540

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If enough high profile people took a stronger stance that might just be enough to make Musk see the light. I'm not going to hold my breath for that though.

What “light” would he see? That censoring whatever and whomever he wants on a whim is not the same as guaranteeing a platform without censorship? And he will somehow change his personality and thinking and put the integrity of the platform above his own small thinking limited to self interest? I really don’t see it. His reputation of an unstable, vindictive, insecure person with the power to annihilate any voice he d…

That he can't do this and drop it.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by hermitcrab »

pg wrote: post #350

I'm not leaving Twitter. It seems more likely than not that Elon will reverse the ban on links to other social media sites. I just don't want to hang out there in the meantime. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn about alternatives. I still think Elon is a smart guy. His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out…

>Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out to be

So how do you explain his targetting of Fauci? Or the horrible things he said about that cave diver?

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