I'm exactly in the target demographic that desperately wants a a return to the old, decentralized, protocol-based internet. We need working alternatives to Twitter to prevent a single mentally unstable billionaire from having this kind of power. But everything about Mastodon seems badly designed and engineered. The focus on "servers" seems technologically anachronistic, but worse, fragments the community and creates…
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Armchair diagnosis is a rather foolish endeavour. That said, a person as successful as Musk is, is more likely to have BAP (broad autism phenotype, subclinical ASD) than clinical ASD. BAP means one has some degree of autistic traits, but is insufficiently disabled by them to warrant a psychiatric diagnosis Sociopathy isn’t a DSM-5 diagnosis - antisocial personality disorder (ASPD) is. Diagnostic criteria for ASPD inc…
> Armchair diagnosis is a rather foolish endeavour. Indeed. So we can stop with the Asperger's claim? But if the can of worms is open, I'm more than willing to contribute my 2-cents instead. > I see zero evidence that is true of Musk. https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/conditions/antisocial-perso... * exploit, manipulate or violate the rights of others https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/tesla-faces-california-l... * l…
> A. A pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others, occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following: ...
> B. The individual is at least age 18 years.
> C. There is evidence of conduct disorder with onset before age 15 years.
> D. The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of schizophrenia or bipolar disorder.
Now, to be diagnosed with ASPD, a person must meet all of A, B, C and D. You seem to be focusing on criterion A. Even supposing you are right that he meets criterion A – where is the evidence for him meeting criterion C? You can't diagnose someone with ASPD without evidence for the onset of a diagnosis of conduct disorder (CD) as a child/adolescent. It isn't necessary that they be diagnosed with CD contemporaneously, it is acceptable to have retrospective evidence for it based on school records, parent interviews, their own recollections, etc – but, without evidence for onset of a CD diagnosis in childhood/adolescence, you cannot have an ASPD diagnosis in adulthood. Do we have any evidence that Musk met the diagnostic criteria for conduct disorder in childhood/adolescence?
Is there any good evidence that Musk exhibited at least three of the following behaviours (conduct disorder criterion A, pages 469-470) prior to age 15?
Aggression to People and Animals
1. Often bullies, threatens, or intimidates others.
2. Often initiates physical fights.
3. Has used a weapon that can cause serious physical harm to others (e.g., a bat, brick, broken bottle, knife, gun).
4. Has been physically cruel to people.
5. Has been physically cruel to animals.
6. Has stolen while confronting a victim (e.g., mugging, purse snatching, extortion, armed robbery).
7. Has forced someone into sexual activity.
Destruction of Property
8. Has deliberately engaged in fire setting with the intention of causing serious damage.
9. Has deliberately destroyed others’ property (other than by fire setting).
Deceitfulness or Theft
10. Has broken into someone else’s house, building, or car.
11. Often lies to obtain goods or favors or to avoid obligations (i.e., “cons” others).
12. Has stolen items of nontrivial value without confronting a victim (e.g., shoplifting, but without breaking and entering: forgery).
Serious Violations of Rules
13. Often stays out at night despite parental prohibitions, beginning before age 13 years.
14. Has run away from home overnight at least twice while living in the parental or parental surrogate home, or once without returning for a lengthy period.
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#373Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Armchair diagnosis is a rather foolish endeavour. Indeed. So we can stop with the Asperger's claim? But if the can of worms is open, I'm more than willing to contribute my 2-cents instead. > I see zero evidence that is true of Musk. https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/conditions/antisocial-perso... * exploit, manipulate or violate the rights of others https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/tesla-faces-california-l... * l…
If I open up my copy of the DSM-5, I find on page 659 the diagnostic criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder (301.7, F60.2): > A. A pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others, occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following: ... > B. The individual is at least age 18 years. > C. There is evidence of conduct disorder with onset before age 15 years. > D.…
A, B, and D are fully set in my mind. The only question is one of personal history that obviously I don't have.
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If I open up my copy of the DSM-5, I find on page 659 the diagnostic criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder (301.7, F60.2): > A. A pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others, occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following: ... > B. The individual is at least age 18 years. > C. There is evidence of conduct disorder with onset before age 15 years. > D.…
Why do you expect me to know a detailed history of Elon Musk from 30+ years ago? A, B, and D are fully set in my mind. The only question is one of personal history that obviously I don't have.
I really doubt any actual psychiatrist or psychologist would diagnose Musk with ASPD in a clinical setting. Psychiatric diagnoses aren't just about reading a list of symptoms and matching them – you need to understand how professionals interpret that list in practice (the "clinical gestalt", as it is sometimes called). If you actually study the literature on ASPD, you'll find people like Musk are not the targets of the diagnosis. Indeed, the DSM-5 says (p. 662):
> Antisocial personality disorder appears to be associated with low socioeconomic status and urban settings
Musk is not now and has never been a person of "low socioeconomic status", which is the group of people in which ASPD is usually diagnosed.
Here's some more traits of ASPD, according to the DSM-5 (p. 661):
> They may be irresponsible as parents, as evidenced by malnutrition of a child, an illness in the child resulting from a lack of minimal hygiene, a child's dependence on neighbors or nonresident relatives for food or shelter, a failure to arrange for a caretaker for a young child when the individual is away from home, or repeated squandering of money required for household necessities
Musk is no candidate for "Father of the Year", but there is zero evidence his children are malnourished, extremely unhygienic, lack appropriate adult supervision, lack sufficient financial support, etc. That is describing the behaviour of low socioeconomic status bad parents, high socioeconomic status individuals may often be bad parents, but rarely in such a grossly physical way.
> These individuals may receive dishonorable discharges from the armed services, may fail to be self-supporting, may become impoverished or even homeless, or may spend many years in penal institutions
That doesn't sound like Musk either.
Some other common traits of ASPD (back to page 660):
> Irresponsible work behavior may be indicated by significant periods of unemployment despite available job opportunities, or by abandonment of several jobs without a realistic plan for getting another job. There may also be a pattern of repeated absences from work that are not explained by illness either in themselves or in their family. Financial irresponsibility is indicated by acts such as defaulting on debts, failing to provide child support, or failing to support other dependents on a regular basis
When they said "financial irresponsibility", a centibillionaire wasting $44 billion on a whim is not what they had in mind. They mean the parent who can't afford food for their children because they spent all their money on some inessential goods. None of Musk's children are going to starve, even if he stupidly loses $100 billion more.
> Individuals with antisocial personality disorder tend to be irritable and aggressive and may repeatedly get into physical fights or commit acts of physical assault (including spouse beating or child beating)
Haven't heard about Musk getting in to physical fights or committing physical assault.
Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion
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> you're basically required to trust your online identity and private message secrecy to an anonymous activist admin with a kitty avatar I have some friends operating a Mastodon server, with a team of volunteer operators, and I'm pretty sure I've met all of them in person. I've only used Twitter a handful of times and don't really like the medium, but it's really not that hard to run a server. And I don't think there…
> I have some friends operating a Mastodon server, with a team of volunteer operators, and I'm pretty sure I've met all of them in person. But this will never describe a significant portion of Twitter users. It might work for some, but it wont replace Twitter.
I'm not suggesting any individual do so, but this is not rocket science. I feel like maintaining a physical building is probably harder, so any organization with a physical building that has ~100+ members should be able to do this - and enough organizations doing this could replace Twitter.
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Napster didn’t kill CD sales. iTunes/iPods did
Delivery of music over the internet killed cd sales. Napster proved that people wanted online music. That enabled everything else. It forced the industry to adapt or die.
Here is a chart of CD sales
https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/12950/cd-sales-in-the-us/
You do not see any sharp drop off because of Napster.
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Delivery of music over the internet killed cd sales. Napster proved that people wanted online music. That enabled everything else. It forced the industry to adapt or die.
Napster peaked in 2000. Here is a chart of CD sales https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/12950/cd-sales-in-the-us/ You do not see any sharp drop off because of Napster.
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> The only thing you can do is own your data, running on servers you own, at a domain you own. No, that’s a failure of the specific protocol. Your identity could simply be a public key. This way it’s: 1) Tamperproof 2) Not dependant on any specific server
If your identity is "simply" a public key, then...how does anyone actually refer to you? By a handle? That's not part of a public key. An avatar? I guess you could generate one à la Gravatar from a public key, but those aren't going to be very memorable. A public key is a way to securely and uniquely say "this is me". It says nothing about who you are , anything about you, what you like or do, your links to other peo…
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#380I don't think Mastodon has any chance of overtaking Twitter. Here's how I would do it: Create basically a clone of Twitter, with the same UI and functionality. The goal would be to make transition as seamless as possible. I have no interest in learning about why Mastodon works, why it runs on multiple domains and getting used to its UI. I just want Twitter without Elon. Make it possible to easily transfer your data,…