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Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by Tiktaalik »

ALittleLight wrote: post #53
DiNovi wrote: post #18

Paul is an out of touch reactionary billionaire. when you’ve lost your own, maybe it’s time to acknowledge you don’t know what you’re doing

I really wish I could see Twitter's internal dashboards. One thing I have a hard time estimating is, outside of my bubble, how is Twitter doing? Are these things hurting Twitter? Is the controversy helping it? I can't imagine what would motivate the decision to ban Mastodon links. Were they really losing users to Mastodon? That would be a huge problem, but not one that banning links would solve.

Anecdotally the content in my feed seems to be drying up, with less and less fresh new tweets every time I open the app. Either people are posting less, leaving or there's technical issues around serving content.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by ignoramous »

threeseed wrote: post #21

There’s an old adage about never meeting your heroes that applies well to PG. Some of his daily takes were so embarrassing and insipid that it was hard to maintain respect. It’s funny because his long form posts which are often insightful were likely reviewed/edited by a third person. A concept he has actually said only exists in the modern commercial publishing era.

> There's an old adage about never meeting your heroes that applies well to PG.

I wonder how much of that is down to the person themselves (judging someone else, through the lense of whatever prejudices and biases) and not their heroes.

As they say from where I am: short of meeting true evil, there's no one worse than your own self.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by shadowgovt »

vdnkh wrote: post #52
mrtksn wrote: post #27

You know how Musk promises one thing and delivers something else? I'm not the biggest Musk fan but I believe he has a very effective process and he is a product person - that is understands what is a good product. He will never deliver a free speech platform, he is a free-speech NIMBY and has an agenda os something that drives him but he can still turn Twitter into something valuable. Then people will come back for w…

> I'm not the biggest Musk fan but I believe he has a very effective process and he is a product person What a weird thing to say after he killed twitter with his "process". Perhaps this dumpster fire is the best view yet into what he really believes, and how he really runs his companies. Elon is a modern day Kissinger

He could be, but I'm looking at Musk and seeing big Howard Hughes energy.

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Post by jansan »

azangru wrote: post #200
norwalkbear wrote: post #107

He'll be back. If you hate Twitter you will despise Mastodon.

What's wrong with Mastodon? I thought that because it isn't serving you ads, it has much less incentive for keeping you constantly engaged and outraged.

Following Paul Graham's link to his profile was my first visit to Mastodon. This was hugely underwhelming. It looks and feels just slow and sad, not sure how this should attract the average user.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

starik36 wrote: post #122
ALittleLight wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wish I could see Twitter's internal dashboards. One thing I have a hard time estimating is, outside of my bubble, how is Twitter doing? Are these things hurting Twitter? Is the controversy helping it? I can't imagine what would motivate the decision to ban Mastodon links. Were they really losing users to Mastodon? That would be a huge problem, but not one that banning links would solve.

Wasn’t the only mastodon account banned the one that was posting links to the doxer account?

No, all links to a variety of Mastodon servers, plus official Mastodon account, plus hashtags mentioning Mastodon... were banned.

No idea if they still are. I don't hang out on Twitter. But sheesh.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

There are a lot of things that happened where I could see both sides of the debate. As usual, a lot of outrage on Tweeter was more about the reflex of it than something really meaningful, the Tweeter files were underwhelming and I didn't find anything in the new Twitter that I thought was completely bonkers.

But this ban on link is, indeed, in my book, a bad move. And it will also make me reevaluate the past Tweeter drama in the light of this decision.

I always was of the opinion that eventually things would settle down and Twitter would go on its merry way.

But I'm not so sure anymore. I don't think I'll leave right now, but I'm not giving the benefit of the doubt to any of this anymore.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by smcn »

haunter wrote: post #94

I wonder when, if ever, mainstream migration will happen. For example most TV channels were posting World Cup goals on Twitter asap. Same if you follow for example NFL. Easy to follow the games with instant highlights. When will these leave or simply stop posting?

Social media is a massive advertising platform for these companies. They'll go where the people are. Most likely it'll begin with posts being mirrored between the two places, and then switching over when/if Twitter becomes less and less relevant.

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Post by cyberphobe »

wardedVibe wrote: post #248
rc_mob wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon is definitely not a smart human. Maybe 25 years ago he did a thing. Ok.

Intelligence is overrated for it's utility in navigating the world.

This is true. Wealth is what matters in this world, not intelligence.

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Post by BryantD »

wpietri wrote: post #75
belligeront wrote: post #15

Amazing that just a month ago he tweeted[1]: "It's remarkable how many people who've never run any kind of company think they know how to run a tech company better than someone who's run Tesla and SpaceX.". It's been fascinating watching so many VC types ignore so many red flags just because some of Elon's early actions validated their priors (e.g. tech companies are bloated and need to layoff staff). [1] https://twi…

For sure. Given that Musk was fired from [deleted, see note 1] and PayPal, you'd think they might have had more questions. But people look at failure much more carefully than they look at success. I think the next wave of interesting questions is around the extent to which Musk contributed the apparent successes, SpaceX and Tesla. We won't know for a long time, as a lot of the people in the know have a strong incenti…

To be absolutely fair… do you have a reference for Zip2? I was at AltaVista for the acquisition and while I wasn’t close enough to it to be sure, I know he walked away with a bunch of money.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by purple_ferret »

russdill wrote: post #197
purple_ferret wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's an exception: TikTok Fortuitously preserving LibsOfTikTok and Elon's good relationship with the CCP

I'm fully willing to pile on, but I don't know that it's an example of a policy violation. It's linking to things people are doing on TikTok, not promoting a specific account or TikTok itself.

The policy doesn't mention individual accounts but the platform itself:

>we will remove any free promotion of prohibited 3rd-party social media platforms

>Accounts that are used for the main purpose of promoting content on another social platform may be suspended

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