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Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

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The inclusion of "Hispanic => Latinx" is staggering because: - The vast majority of Hispanic people don't like "Latinx" - "Latinx" was invented to avoid gendered words like "Latino", and "Hispanic" isn't gendered - It's listed under "imprecise language", but "Latinx" isn't any more precise. It's so ironic that "colonialism" has now come to mean anything progressive academics don't like, but telling a minority group w…

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Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

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I mean, if you ever wanted to get on the bandwagon of why we have so many college administrators responsible for raising the cost of college and creating work for themselves by stoking culture wars, just read through the list on that page. ------- "> Instead of: Philippine Islands > Consider using: Philippines or the Republic of the Philippines > Context: The term is politically incorrect and denotes colonialism. Som…

">Instead of: Philippine Islands

>Consider using: Philippines or the Republic of the Philippines

>Context: The term is politically incorrect and denotes colonialism. Some people of Filipino heritage might use the term, though."

First of all, they're using "denotes" to mean "connotes", so we shouldn't expect a subtle understanding of English.

But second, what "Philippine Islands" does is center geography instead of nationhood or identity. What it connotes is that political boundaries are historically-contingent. Similarly, the "British isles" will always be there, barring geological catastrophe, regardless of whether the United Kingdom ceases to exist, say because Scotland and Wales secede.

If you want to work hard at it, you could make an argument that geography-centering language is "colonialist", because, precisely by revealing that borders are contingent, it might suggest that some more powerful actor, an Empire, might reshape them arbitrarily. However, it also undermines nationalism, and many people would consider that to be a good thing. For example, it's a key sentiment behind liberal immigration policies.

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

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Note that this is a voluntary resource guide of recommendations and suggestions.

The document is called Elimination of Harmful Language Initiative.

By the way, I find the word "Elimination" very violent. It should have a non-harmful alternative.

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

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post #77

The inclusion of "Hispanic => Latinx" is staggering because: - The vast majority of Hispanic people don't like "Latinx" - "Latinx" was invented to avoid gendered words like "Latino", and "Hispanic" isn't gendered - It's listed under "imprecise language", but "Latinx" isn't any more precise. It's so ironic that "colonialism" has now come to mean anything progressive academics don't like, but telling a minority group w…

Also note that Latino is a Spanish word, Latinx is obviously an English word. So we have non Latino white people telling Latinos to use an English word to refer to themselves Definitely no colonial undertone to this dynamic whatsoever

Worth noting that Latinos are themselves colonizers (well, at least of mixed ancestry). Latinx is still stupid and condescending, but framing it as colonialism is a bit reductive.

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

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> to call a spade a spade/ calling a spade a spade > to call something what it is / calling something what it is > Although the term has its origins in Greek literature, the subsequent negative connotations with the word "spade" means that the phrase should be used with caution or not at all. I have no idea what this is referring to. . > white paper > position paper > Assigns value connotations based on color (white…

"Spade" has been used as a derogatory term for blacks.

"White space" is treating white as good? You're replacing white with "empty", no content, meaningless, and you think white is being used to indicate good? Nope. You (Stanford, not the parent) just took a list of phrases and grepped for "white", but didn't actually think.

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

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> to call a spade a spade/ calling a spade a spade > to call something what it is / calling something what it is > Although the term has its origins in Greek literature, the subsequent negative connotations with the word "spade" means that the phrase should be used with caution or not at all. I have no idea what this is referring to. . > white paper > position paper > Assigns value connotations based on color (white…

I would consider use of whitespace as negative to white. As it is useless space that is wasteful...

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

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Some are obvious and others surprising to me, but I'm very glad they mention the way "American" is used in the US. It always ticked me off but I never felt like I could mention it due to how widespread it is. Now I have somewhere to point to if I want to bring it up, kind of like how French people can point to the DGLFLF if someone uses the term nègre nowadays.

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

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The inclusion of "Hispanic => Latinx" is staggering because: - The vast majority of Hispanic people don't like "Latinx" - "Latinx" was invented to avoid gendered words like "Latino", and "Hispanic" isn't gendered - It's listed under "imprecise language", but "Latinx" isn't any more precise. It's so ironic that "colonialism" has now come to mean anything progressive academics don't like, but telling a minority group w…

The kicker for me is if we want to anglicize Spanish because we know better than them... we could just say Latin! It's already a word! But it doesn't come with ingroup signaling and so here we are..

Right?!

Kublai was on this train 700 years ago: https://youtu.be/FJUueJzLr54?t=169

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