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Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

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Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

#81
this is great.

homogenising all communication and making strict formal guidelines makes it much easier to make a competing platform that scales.

Stanford is doing the transition from a learning platform based in identity to one based I scalability.

My guess, however, is that it is to their detriment.

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

#82

Is this initiative being evaluated for inclusivity of people with language processing conditions, including autism spectrum disorder, to make sure it doesn't cause discriminatory strain on these folks?

Can you explain this a bit more or give an example? I'm curious about this.

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

#83

I'm going to take the minority position here (no pun intended), and say that I think these initiatives are in fact helpful and important. I recently joined an engineering team where there's a cultural norm of not using the word "guys" to address a group. When I first heard this, I kinda rolled my eyes but got on board. It took a tremendous amount of mental effort to weed that word out of my vocabulary, but it's had a…

> it's had a tangible effect on my mentality.

What tangible effects did it have on your mentality?

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

#84
post #77

The inclusion of "Hispanic => Latinx" is staggering because: - The vast majority of Hispanic people don't like "Latinx" - "Latinx" was invented to avoid gendered words like "Latino", and "Hispanic" isn't gendered - It's listed under "imprecise language", but "Latinx" isn't any more precise. It's so ironic that "colonialism" has now come to mean anything progressive academics don't like, but telling a minority group w…

The kicker for me is if we want to anglicize Spanish because we know better than them... we could just say Latin! It's already a word! But it doesn't come with ingroup signaling and so here we are..

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

#85
"Do you have a term you'd like added to the list? Please fill out our suggestion form."

I wonder how many people Stanford has working on this. Much of this is disconnection from reality. Something an educational institution should not be pushing. As an alum, I'm embarrassed.

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

#86
This is absolute insanity - I do not mean surprising/wild, I mean the people/organizations who have curated this page of random innocuous words and contexts have completely lost touch with reality and should be relieved of any serious positions in higher learning.

You can't use the word brave anymore? What in the hell is going on with academics?

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

#88

Is this initiative being evaluated for inclusivity of people with language processing conditions, including autism spectrum disorder, to make sure it doesn't cause discriminatory strain on these folks?

As one of those people, no, probably not. At best, they consulted the loudest few autistic p... people with autism they could find, and decided that represented all of us. (I'm in a couple of other minority groups, it's a common pattern.)

Specifically, I'm the "parse everything hyperliterally unless I consciously try not to" type, which means I do not see the problem with many of these, and just have to remember a list of words I can't use professionally.

Amusingly, most of the list of words I'd always been told I couldn't use professionally get used all the fucking time.

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

#89
post #77

The inclusion of "Hispanic => Latinx" is staggering because: - The vast majority of Hispanic people don't like "Latinx" - "Latinx" was invented to avoid gendered words like "Latino", and "Hispanic" isn't gendered - It's listed under "imprecise language", but "Latinx" isn't any more precise. It's so ironic that "colonialism" has now come to mean anything progressive academics don't like, but telling a minority group w…

Also note that Latino is a Spanish word, Latinx is obviously an English word. So we have non Latino white people telling Latinos to use an English word to refer to themselves

Definitely no colonial undertone to this dynamic whatsoever

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

#90

I wholeheartedly support the elimination of harmful languages. There's just no good reason these days for anyone to use C++.

> not referring to a specific standard of C++

This is a violation and implies that all of the C++ language is the same which may be offensive to users of a specific standard such as ISO/IEC 14882:2017. Referring to C++ generically ignores any differences between specifications.

Instead, referring to a specific standard, for example, C++11 is more appropriate to members of the ISO/IEC 14882 community.

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