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Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

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From a sociological & political perspective, I’m most concerned here by the expansive notion of “harm” embedded in these guidelines. Harm is a serious thing: It represents the line where my rights end at yours. If using an inappropriate but common cultural idiom harms someone as opposed to being simply rude, that has a potentially revolutionary significance.

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Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

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I heard a theory that woke is actually a class marker of manners, indicating that someone has the time and privilege to track the constantly shifting, baroque signals of what is and is not acceptable to say during any given season. If someone were to make that case, this could be evidence in favor.

It's a decent interpretation of at least some of the phenomenon. E.g. "latinx" has become an upper middle class shibboleth with close to zero participation from the people "being protected from harm" by the neologism.

https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2020/08/11/about-one-in...

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

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> Brave | do not use | This term perpetuates the stereotype of the "noble courageous savage," equating the Indigenous male as being less than a man.

Should we get rid of bravo then as well? I assume people making these lists have good intentions, but efforts like this really get lost in the sauce. They are effectively parodying themselves.

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

#57

There would be less emphasis on symbolic politics, such as this project, if we could make material progress on social inequity. It does not cost any money to change language. It would be difficult and costly to seriously reinvest in people who have been left behind. For example, if it was politically possible guarantee schools in poor neighbourhoods were funded just as well as schools in wealthy neighbourhoods, do yo…

The problem with schools in poor neighborhoods has nothing to do with funding. You can see charter schools in the same neighborhood which get less funding radically outperform.

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

#58

Are humans no longer capable of recognizing context? How is "he mastered the material in the lecture" invoking centuries of internalized slavery and causing harm in the process?

I think this is the crux of the issue. Modern media makes an art of decontextualization, to the point where most of us experience the world as a series of disconnected narratives emerging from the ether only to dissipate just as quickly as they come. In this milieu the quixotic and paradoxical attempt to perfect language in the service of justice seems like a reasonable, plausible, and achievable goal.

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

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“You guys” is the plural form of “you” for most speakers of colloquial American English, and is completely ungendered, in an empirical sense: if you observe native speakers speaking naturally and colloquially, you will find that everyone who uses it (regardless of gender) uses it consistently to address groups of multiple people (regardless of gender).

It’s derived from the noun “guy”, which is indeed often gendered. But etymology doesn’t determine meaning. Otherwise we would have to conclude that “woman” is male-gendered because it etymologically derives from “man”.

Making “you guys” taboo seems to be a cultural phenomenon specific to certain industries. I’ve asked several of my friends, and never encountered one outside of tech or academia who thought “you guys” was problematic at all. In fact, the vast majority had never even heard of the issue or imagined that it could be controversial.

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