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Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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This is not, by any stretch, what modern anarchists would use as a definition. Try instead, "a society free from unjust hierarchies". Most anarchists are comfortable with the idea of democracy, elections, and delegation of decision making. As long as it's consensual and democratic. Think of like, "hey, we need a treasurer to manage the finances". Anarchism is not a unified idea. Anarcho syndicalism is different from…

"a society free from unjust hierarchies" What would be a just hierarchie? "Most anarchists are comfortable with the idea of democracy, elections, and delegation of decision making. As long as it's consensual and democratic" Most anarchists I met, not so much. Till the extreme point of "anarchists don't vote". Not even in a small group. There is a consensus or there is no decision. I like the idea of doing things in a…

A just hierarchy might be:

"we are working with a federation composed of 40 other anarchist groups. We elect a delegate and delegate small decisions to them, and they can be removed easily by the group."

"We have a safety officer on the factory floor who has the power to stop the work of others if there's a concern. They can be replaced easily"

"A teacher removing students who are disruptive to learning, but finding them alternative learning models."

An unjust hierarchy is when one person has power over another for no reason and whose power is self reinforcing or permanent. (A wealthy capitalist has more power, and gains power faster than a factory worker.)

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I've also never seen anyone address the high chance that post UBI the #1 issue for every politician will become "I will raise the UBI" and if they don't their opposition will. How will we deal with an ever increasing UBI and where will that every increasing source of money come from?

I don't get it; why would it be _more_ of a problem than with current tax & benefits systems? Politicians can already make the "increase $benefit"/"decrease $tax" their #1 policy.

But they can play a constant shell game with those, distracting you with this one while backtracking on this other one. UBI, IMO, would unify these various systems and eliminate the distractions that allow them to make these promises while not really keeping them.

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Which is why I quoted the original meaning and root words. etymonline.com

Well no fair! I’m sure the original meaning of “earth” is “the thing at the center of the universe”, but we’ve moved on from that definition!

Earth means soil, dirt, that sort of stuff. It's meaning has stayed consistent. What is unfair about using a word how it was meant to be used?

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Well no fair! I’m sure the original meaning of “earth” is “the thing at the center of the universe”, but we’ve moved on from that definition!

Earth means soil, dirt, that sort of stuff. It's meaning has stayed consistent. What is unfair about using a word how it was meant to be used?

Language evolves, otherwise we’d all be talking like Shakespeare. Am I getting trolled?

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Aren’t many of these fabs self-contained - ie they “use” a lot but treat and then re-use it

No, they usually don’t reuse the water

I was thinking of an HN submission or comment a while ago that described how Arizona did this, I found this which appears to agree: https://sustainablewater.com/water-and-fabs-in-arizona/

> Arizona has [some non-water requirements for Semi fab location]; however, it faces water challenges. Semiconductor fabs require tremendous quantities of highly pure water, using between two and four million gallons daily.[1] The fact that Arizona has become a semiconductor fab given these high water requirements may seem bewildering.

> ... Although these companies use vast amounts of water, they also recycle aggressively

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No, they usually don’t reuse the water

I was thinking of an HN submission or comment a while ago that described how Arizona did this, I found this which appears to agree: https://sustainablewater.com/water-and-fabs-in-arizona/ > Arizona has [some non-water requirements for Semi fab location]; however, it faces water challenges. Semiconductor fabs require tremendous quantities of highly pure water, using between two and four million gallons daily.[1] The f…

It was greenwashing if I remember correctly. They had to do ‘water credits’ to improve watersheds elsewhere in AZ, which they used to claim they were doing good things in the area they were in. When really, they weren’t.

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Earth means soil, dirt, that sort of stuff. It's meaning has stayed consistent. What is unfair about using a word how it was meant to be used?

Language evolves, otherwise we’d all be talking like Shakespeare. Am I getting trolled?

Language evolves, but whenever people misunderstand each other by using the same word differently, it is perfectly fine to defer to the original meaning to avoid confusion. Especially, when no agreement is reached otherwise; Same applies to literally every other dispute, like marriage, property, labour, music, etc. Whomsoever originally wrote/performed the music, gets to name the song and tag their name to it. Whomever gets married first, gets dibs on wedding night. Whomever does the work, gets the spoils. etc.

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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I was thinking of an HN submission or comment a while ago that described how Arizona did this, I found this which appears to agree: https://sustainablewater.com/water-and-fabs-in-arizona/ > Arizona has [some non-water requirements for Semi fab location]; however, it faces water challenges. Semiconductor fabs require tremendous quantities of highly pure water, using between two and four million gallons daily.[1] The f…

It was greenwashing if I remember correctly. They had to do ‘water credits’ to improve watersheds elsewhere in AZ, which they used to claim they were doing good things in the area they were in. When really, they weren’t.

Oh damn, so something like the carbon credits thing Tesla did? In that case what on earth are they doing putting such a facility in such a water-poor locale.

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Language evolves, otherwise we’d all be talking like Shakespeare. Am I getting trolled?

Language evolves, but whenever people misunderstand each other by using the same word differently, it is perfectly fine to defer to the original meaning to avoid confusion. Especially, when no agreement is reached otherwise; Same applies to literally every other dispute, like marriage, property, labour, music, etc. Whomsoever originally wrote/performed the music, gets to name the song and tag their name to it. Whomev…

I’m getting trolled, that was well done haha

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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It was greenwashing if I remember correctly. They had to do ‘water credits’ to improve watersheds elsewhere in AZ, which they used to claim they were doing good things in the area they were in. When really, they weren’t.

Oh damn, so something like the carbon credits thing Tesla did? In that case what on earth are they doing putting such a facility in such a water-poor locale.

Cheap labor already familiar with chip manufacturing, cheap land, good tax treatment, and tax credits from the gov’t if I remember correctly.
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