Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion • Hacker News Board

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Post by lapcat » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 5:53 PM UTC

drooby wrote: post #287

Given how clumsy this "censorship" is, I highly doubt that this is a conscious effort of censorship, and is instead an automatic filter that was already in place to prevent malicious activity. Mastadon's original account was suspended for breaking the new TOS for linking to content that was in violation (the jet tracker), which then prompted many other people to break the TOS. I suspect there is some algorithm that t…

"Twitter will no longer allow free promotion of specific social media platforms on Twitter." https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/social-platfo...

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Post by cactusplant7374 » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 5:54 PM UTC

wongarsu wrote: post #153

cactusplant7374 wrote: post #133

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He's the CEO of five companies and he just landed in Qatar to party at the world cup. His worth ethic is suspect and the stuff of myths. Supposedly he never stops working but he's an expert at Elden Ring.

Musk being CEO is not really like a startup founder being CEO. For example at SpaceX the company is basically run by Gwynne Shotwell, with Elon being the visionary and face of the company, with the clout and authority to dive deep into any part of the company he thinks is important right now and help facilitate or micro-manage stuff. But when he is occupied elsewhere for a couple months the gears keep turning without…

* A few months ago SpaceX was on the verge of bankruptcy according to Musk.

* Tesla's stock is down and they haven't done any innovation in a long time. FSD is a complete failure. Musk's tweets are hurting the brand. People don't want to buy an alt-right electric car and Elon has become the brand.

* Revenue dramatically decreased at Twitter since Musk took over the company. Likely headed towards bankruptcy in the near future.

* Neuralink is a pipe dream that conducts unnecessary experiments that kill animals. He copied all the experiments of the lead academic researcher and passed them off as his own. There is nothing novel about what they have done.

* Boring Co. hasn't built anything of value. In fact, they have backed out of numerous projects.

It's a complete and total dereliction of duty.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Post by cactusplant7374 » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 5:54 PM UTC

concordDance wrote: post #243

cactusplant7374 wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's the CEO of five companies and he just landed in Qatar to party at the world cup. His worth ethic is suspect and the stuff of myths. Supposedly he never stops working but he's an expert at Elden Ring.

I think you're making the mistake of assuming the amount he works per week is constant, rather than varying from 80 hours during hell year to 20 when things are going fine. There are a LOT of sources on him having worked very long hours at points.

> when things are going fine.

Things are not going fine. Things are on fire. How do you buy a company and immediately lose 50% of the revenue? That is a shocking failure.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Post by drooby » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 5:56 PM UTC

lapcat wrote: post #351

drooby wrote: post #287

Given how clumsy this "censorship" is, I highly doubt that this is a conscious effort of censorship, and is instead an automatic filter that was already in place to prevent malicious activity. Mastadon's original account was suspended for breaking the new TOS for linking to content that was in violation (the jet tracker), which then prompted many other people to break the TOS. I suspect there is some algorithm that t…

"Twitter will no longer allow free promotion of specific social media platforms on Twitter." https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/social-platfo...

Lmao! My comment did not age well.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Post by pxoe » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 5:58 PM UTC

vidarh wrote: post #339

pxoe wrote: post #329

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lack of algorithmic feed (and the whole anti-algo slant) and lack of openly viewable likes on people's profiles are actually gonna backfire. mastodon is gonna get lonely and boring, because it's kinda hard to do content discovery, particularly the kind where you get recommendations based on people you follow or interested in, so that those recs would be in closer proximity to you, rather than just getting random post…

When you follow someone, you can mute just boosts from them if you like. Other than that, all of these things are things people can build using the API. I agree they're needed, and I think enough others do that things will get built. I certainly want to build my own algorithmic feed, because reverse chronology is already a nuisance to me.

huh. ability to mute someone's reposts in your own timeline won't do much for purposes of browsing through that particular person's tweets though. it's not about 'how someone's tweets appear in your timeline', but 'browsing someone's tweets'. to be fair, twitter doesn't let you just filter out reblogs from someone's profile timeline either (though one could just do a search like 'from:username'), but with visible likes, this sort of 'personal curation' separates itself into 'profile tweets' and 'likes', with retweets getting used more sparingly.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Post by shepherdjerred » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 6:22 PM UTC

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #228

JumpinJack_Cash wrote: post #188

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> > There's something in the German soul that makes them great at building cars. But lacking in design. See how German supercars look plain vis-a-vis the Italian ones

Yeah, but the Italians are rubbish at buildings (source: I went to Rome and half the buildings are in ruins)

I know that this is a (very funny) joke, but when I visited Rome I was absolutely astonished that humans could build something so long ago and still stand today. Most people don't have such a visible (obvious), lasting impact on the physical world.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Post by shepherdjerred » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 6:26 PM UTC

lapcat wrote: post #351

drooby wrote: post #287

Given how clumsy this "censorship" is, I highly doubt that this is a conscious effort of censorship, and is instead an automatic filter that was already in place to prevent malicious activity. Mastadon's original account was suspended for breaking the new TOS for linking to content that was in violation (the jet tracker), which then prompted many other people to break the TOS. I suspect there is some algorithm that t…

"Twitter will no longer allow free promotion of specific social media platforms on Twitter." https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/social-platfo...

Wow. I can't believe they actually wrote this down.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Post by throwaway290 » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 6:34 PM UTC

vidarh wrote: post #350

ryukafalz wrote: post #303

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For those downvoting the above poster, this probably wasn't a sarcastic quip - Tumblr really does plan to federate with the rest of the fediverse. https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/21/tumblr-to-add-support-for-...

I'm guessing some might have downvoted because I mentioned paid providers. As in letting you pay them to run a Mastodon instance. While the above poster seems to have read my "and more are sure to come" as more options in general rather than more paid options. But I didn't downvote as I agree, the promise of Tumblr support is a big deal and will be a good option for a lot of people.

I know that's not what you meant but Tumblr is not free like your friendly neighborhood Mastodon instance or a foundation instance, it's for profit and paid for by advertisers and via paid features.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Post by fimis » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 6:38 PM UTC

Dma54rhs wrote: post #337

Tijdreiziger wrote: post #324

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Where in Europe do you live? I was born and raised (and still live) in the Netherlands, and our experiences are clearly very different. Of course, there exist racists in any country; I don't deny that. However, racism certainly isn't generally accepted here. This is supported by the fact that the alt-right occupies less than 20% of seats in Parliament (10% in Germany).

A lot of the interactions what immigrants like me in western europe have to go through are considered racist in america, that was my point. Ask anyone who has been an immigrant in EU and US. America is far more welcoming. Also in Spain where I live is welcoming to lgbt in general, the feminists are all what Americans would consider terf and it's mainstream, actually in power right now - women are women, no prostituti…

> the feminists are all what Americans would consider terf and it's mainstream, actually in power right now - women are women, no prostitution, no to surrogacy, no to porn production

This is excellent news for women - are they enacting / have they enacted laws to fulfil this?

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Post by vidarh » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 6:41 PM UTC

gebruikersnaam wrote: post #86

whitepaint wrote: post #66

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You can export your data and move it to another server. If you're banned on Twitter, you're done. Also, complete failures like banning important stories, banning presidents, banning journalists etc. cannot happen on Mastodon the same way that it has happened countless of times on Twitter and will continue happening. Mastodon is obviously superior when it comes to the freedom of speech. Elon is afraid, because he know…

Note: if the server you're on is banned, you won't be able to move to a different server.

There is no "global ban" for servers. You won't be able to move to a server that has defederated the server you're moving to or been defederated by it.

But you can still move to a third party server. If you desperately want to move from A to B and A and B are defederated from each other, you can even do that by moving from A to C and C to A as long as both A and B are willing to talk to C.