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Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Mastodon will not die in the same way Napster did; it’s decentralized and there’s no way it can be completely shut down since anyone can run an instance.

There are ways. Placing regulatory burdens or legal liabilities on anyone running a social media instance would quickly make Mastadon untenable. Something as simple as manditory age verification might be enough.

The instances can move to jurisdictions where the regulatory burdens and legal liabilities are slightly different.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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I guess this depends on whether you think "transwomen aren't women" is a right-wing or centrist statement. By world standards twitter was far left, by USA standards it was left, by California standards or non-USA anglosphere standards it was centrist.

> By world standards twitter was far left Whose world standards? The US left is the European right.

And no one buys into the transwomem are women over here. On social issues euros are more conservative, more ethnocentral and more racist. If you're an immigrant you can become an American but you will never become a German, just doesn't work like that.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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The pivot from “I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law”[1] to “I get to use censorship to kneecap a competitor because it’s my site now” was almost comically quick. [1] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519036983137509376

What about the pivot from "This is a private company. Free speech doesn't apply" to "This is censorship of free speech"?

I don't really see that pivot. Only the opposite in Musk. What people are complaining about is his hypocrisy: he claimed not to ban anyone except when required by law, but instead it looks like he's banning more people, and more arbitrarily, than Twitter ever did before his takeover.

Sure he has the right to do so, but it makes him a liar and a hypocrite.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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> By world standards twitter was far left Whose world standards? The US left is the European right.

And no one buys into the transwomem are women over here. On social issues euros are more conservative, more ethnocentral and more racist. If you're an immigrant you can become an American but you will never become a German, just doesn't work like that.

Where in Europe do you live? I was born and raised (and still live) in the Netherlands, and our experiences are clearly very different.

Of course, there exist racists in any country; I don't deny that. However, racism certainly isn't generally accepted here.

This is supported by the fact that the alt-right occupies less than 20% of seats in Parliament (10% in Germany).

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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The audience for far left propagandists is much smaller than they’ve been telling you. They’ve been amplifying each other for years but as that infrastructure is taken away from them, they’ll head back to the margins where they belong. Like the far right trolls they aren’t too different from.

If you think the journalists suspended were all 'far left propagandists' there's not much more that can be said in this discussion. You're too far gone down your own rabbit hole. I wish you luck finding your way back sometime.

Not all of them. But most of them (possibly unwittingly) do their bidding in amplifying their fringe message.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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> By world standards twitter was far left Whose world standards? The US left is the European right.

And no one buys into the transwomem are women over here. On social issues euros are more conservative, more ethnocentral and more racist. If you're an immigrant you can become an American but you will never become a German, just doesn't work like that.

The majority of Germans support self-id laws for trans people (Selbstbestimmungsgesetz). Both in parliament and society overall, a broad majority supports this.

So, you're wrong on this topic, too.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Musk comically overpaid for Twitter and can do anything he wants with it. My (and I think most peoples) problem is the hypocrisy displayed by Musk and his sycophants. I would respect Musk a bit if he dropped the free speech charade and simply said it's his playground and he'll do whatever he wants. I don't think YouTube has ever claimed to be a public town square or a desire for free speech absolutism.

> Musk comically overpaid for Twitter and can do anything he wants with it. No, he can't violate anti-trust (or any other) laws.

Obviously he can’t violate the laws, but as owner of a private company he has a very wide berth with what he can do. Not linking to a competitor is not violating anti-trust here.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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The audience for far left propagandists is much smaller than they’ve been telling you. They’ve been amplifying each other for years but as that infrastructure is taken away from them, they’ll head back to the margins where they belong. Like the far right trolls they aren’t too different from.

Far-left? On twitter? A site that famously stated that if they applied their rules equally, they'd have to ban almost all republicans, so they currently don't apply the rules to those? Twitter is a site where a statement as simple as ACAB, which is legally protected speech [See https://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/SharedDocs/Pressemit... ] would get you a ban. Twitter is as center-right as it gets. If you think tw…

> Twitter is as center-right as it gets. If you think twitter is far-left, you're living in an extreme filter bubble.

I think this is what they call “gaslighting”.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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I'm exactly in the target demographic that desperately wants a a return to the old, decentralized, protocol-based internet. We need working alternatives to Twitter to prevent a single mentally unstable billionaire from having this kind of power. But everything about Mastodon seems badly designed and engineered. The focus on "servers" seems technologically anachronistic, but worse, fragments the community and creates…

lack of algorithmic feed (and the whole anti-algo slant) and lack of openly viewable likes on people's profiles are actually gonna backfire. mastodon is gonna get lonely and boring, because it's kinda hard to do content discovery, particularly the kind where you get recommendations based on people you follow or interested in, so that those recs would be in closer proximity to you, rather than just getting random posts from trending. for how much algo stuff (like topics, suggested tweets, etc.) and particularly algo feed gets talked shit about, it's vital to discovery of new posts and new people.

without those things, it's easier to just run out of stuff and people to see, and end up in a place where you're caught up with things, and new people aren't entering your circle, and the activity just stops. well, it is also unlikely, because people just do stuff and mix other people in, but it's easier to end up in that static state, when you don't get suggestions in other ways.

at least there are reblogs. but there's also no option to filter those out right in someone's profile. so it's gonna get real annoying if those are gonna be the only way for someone to push content from somebody else.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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I am an admin of a small instance that most likely isn't on Twitter's block list, so my profile name and description could report the link to my Mastodon profile without getting me banned. However, even without a ban from their side, this has really been the last nail in the coffin between me and Twitter. Suspending accounts for posting links to another (open-source) social network is wrong on so many levels that I d…

Note that the vast vast vast majority of people and posts on Twitter are not fascist. Stinky shithole I'll grant, but that's been true for a decade.

I'm never sure if people are downvoting because they disagree or because they think its a bad post that doesn't contribute to the discussion... maybe we should have a system with more than one way of voting?
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