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“The more reliant we are on others, the less resilient we are as a nation”

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Post by hackly »

gottebp wrote: post #3

At the international level, it is debate-able. It depends on the goodwill nations have towards one another. At the individual and family level though, atomization is incredibly destructive to culture and community. Reliance on others is needed more than ever. To be absolutely independent, is to be without love (given or received). Family, community, and nation cannot exist without love — it is the vital glue that hol…

If you are a self-reliant individual with few needs, it can be destructive for you to associate indiscriminately with others as you are likely to end up in lopsided relationships where you are exploited and relied on more than you rely on others. You need to be very careful in selecting your friends to create balanced relationships, a task which requires a non-trivial amount of energy which can sometimes be put to better use in other pursuits.

Re: “The more reliant we are on others, the less resilient we are as a nation”

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Post by likecarter »

celeritascelery wrote: post #7

While there is certainly some truth and wisdom to this view, it also worries me. I see the increasing globalization and interdependence of the modern world as one of the major reasons for the decrease in armed conflicts. You are a lot less likely to attack someone who is a trade partner. There is a saying that “there has never been an armed conflict between two nations that both had a McDonald’s”. Russia has broken t…

Besides preventing conflict, globalization was supposed to increase democracy in the world. Increasing trade relations with China was in part to make them more democratic, as the theory was the more prosperous a nation is, the more democratic they become. I think we got it backwards.

Now we know it doesn’t work, and this historic reason for globalization is moot.

Re: “The more reliant we are on others, the less resilient we are as a nation”

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Post by 082349872349872 »

an alternative viewpoint from 1961:

...if a beachhead of cooperation may push back the jungle of suspicion, let both sides join in creating a new endeavor, not a new balance of power, but a new world of law, where the strong are just and the weak secure and the peace preserved. — JFK

Re: “The more reliant we are on others, the less resilient we are as a nation”

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Post by boomskats »

celeritascelery wrote: post #7

While there is certainly some truth and wisdom to this view, it also worries me. I see the increasing globalization and interdependence of the modern world as one of the major reasons for the decrease in armed conflicts. You are a lot less likely to attack someone who is a trade partner. There is a saying that “there has never been an armed conflict between two nations that both had a McDonald’s”. Russia has broken t…

> I see the increasing globalization and interdependence of the modern world as one of the major reasons for the decrease in armed conflicts.

On the flip side, I also see the reluctance or resistance of individual countries to said globalization and interdependence as one of the major reasons for the increase in armed conflicts affecting those individual countries.

Re: “The more reliant we are on others, the less resilient we are as a nation”

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Post by HL33tibCe7 »

cs702 wrote: post #9

Reads like a slogan for anti-globalization and nationalism. As with all slogans, it ignores important details that contradict it. Over the past four decades, our current global economic system, promoting economic integration and interdependence between countries, has lifted billions out of poverty.[a][b] Billions. No sensible discussion of globalization can ignore that . The current backlash is not against globalizat…

But let’s also not throw out the baby with the bathwater in the _opposite_ direction. We should not be reliant on Russia for energy to such an extent that our economy gets destroyed when a Russian tyrant goes on an ego trip. We should not be allowing Chinese entities to own our energy infrastructure. We should not be allowing foreign nationals to buy up massive amounts of property in London with shady money, distorting the property market for normal citizens.

There is a happy medium somewhere in between complete globalisation and complete isolation.

Re: “The more reliant we are on others, the less resilient we are as a nation”

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Post by 082349872349872 »

hackly wrote: post #11
gottebp wrote: post #3

At the international level, it is debate-able. It depends on the goodwill nations have towards one another. At the individual and family level though, atomization is incredibly destructive to culture and community. Reliance on others is needed more than ever. To be absolutely independent, is to be without love (given or received). Family, community, and nation cannot exist without love — it is the vital glue that hol…

If you are a self-reliant individual with few needs, it can be destructive for you to associate indiscriminately with others as you are likely to end up in lopsided relationships where you are exploited and relied on more than you rely on others. You need to be very careful in selecting your friends to create balanced relationships, a task which requires a non-trivial amount of energy which can sometimes be put to be…

Some individuals believe themselves to be more self-reliant than they were.

eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_McCandless

Re: “The more reliant we are on others, the less resilient we are as a nation”

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Post by tomp »

cs702 wrote: post #9

Reads like a slogan for anti-globalization and nationalism. As with all slogans, it ignores important details that contradict it. Over the past four decades, our current global economic system, promoting economic integration and interdependence between countries, has lifted billions out of poverty.[a][b] Billions. No sensible discussion of globalization can ignore that . The current backlash is not against globalizat…

There’s also

(4) dependence on other, potentially hostile regimes on “national security” imports/products like steel, chips, oil, energy, …

Re: “The more reliant we are on others, the less resilient we are as a nation”

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Post by HL33tibCe7 »

celeritascelery wrote: post #7

While there is certainly some truth and wisdom to this view, it also worries me. I see the increasing globalization and interdependence of the modern world as one of the major reasons for the decrease in armed conflicts. You are a lot less likely to attack someone who is a trade partner. There is a saying that “there has never been an armed conflict between two nations that both had a McDonald’s”. Russia has broken t…

> that is case where the exception proves the rule.

On the contrary, I think this exception disproves the rule.

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