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Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Post by vidarh »

cge wrote: post #177
vidarh wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you pre-decided to sign up for a specific instance which was closed to signups and is then surprised you can't sign up. Go to joinmastodon.org or instances.social, not directly to a specific instance.

If users are confused by this process, then maybe the explanation of the process is the problem, not the users.

There are certainly improvements to be made, but people seem to largely figure it out.

I'll note that if you click "Create Account" on mastodon.social at the moment on desktop, it shows a modal that explains that you can interact no matter which Mastodon server you sign up on, then shows a "On this server" explaining mastodon.social is currently closed for signups, reminds people that they don't need an account on mastodon.social to use mastodon, then a "On a different server" header that explains that you can create an account on a different server, with a big blue "Find another server" button taking you to joinmastodon.org/server.

I'm sure this still confuses some people (and more confusingly, if you narrow the window enough the "create account" button takes you straight to the link above without explanation; that doesn't seem like great UX), and I'd love to see tweaks to make it better, but the above seemed odd to me, not least because it doesn't seem like they've tried the regular registration flow, so I have no clue what it is they actually did. It seems maybe they've clicked the "Learn more" link, given the description about a "wall of text" about what they can't do?

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Post by vidarh »

tjpnz wrote: post #141
vidarh wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you pre-decided to sign up for a specific instance which was closed to signups and is then surprised you can't sign up. Go to joinmastodon.org or instances.social, not directly to a specific instance.

>So you pre-decided to sign up for a specific instance which was closed to signups and is then surprised you can't sign up. I saw that elonjet had found a new home there so assumed I wouldn't have any trouble signing up. The "Create Account" button on mastodon.social seemed promising too.

The "Create Account" button does indeed let you create a Mastodon account. Just not on mastodon.social. I can't seem to reconcile your description with what happens when you press that button, though.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Post by matwood »

fareesh wrote: post #77

If it becomes a popular trend for youtube channels to upload YouTube videos that are just previews with a links to Rumble videos, and the destination videos violate YouTube TOS, if YouTube created a Rumble filter to quickly address it, it would solve the problem. Would it be accurate to call this censorship or a quick and dirty solution against accounts trying to evade TOS? Framing the Mastodon filter by omitting tha…

Musk comically overpaid for Twitter and can do anything he wants with it. My (and I think most peoples) problem is the hypocrisy displayed by Musk and his sycophants. I would respect Musk a bit if he dropped the free speech charade and simply said it's his playground and he'll do whatever he wants.

I don't think YouTube has ever claimed to be a public town square or a desire for free speech absolutism.

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Post by dragontamer »

heather45879 wrote: post #191
dragontamer wrote: post #181

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> asperger's syndrome Elon Musk just _pretends_ to have Asperger's. I know plenty of people on the spectrum, they aren't assholes. There's also the "Ye's bipolar disorder" effect. Its a challenge I'm sure to have it, but I also know people who are bipolar. Anti-semitism is _NOT_ on the list of symptoms. We can criticize Ye's anti-semetism without making fun of his bipolar / mental illness. So even _IF_ Elon hada Aspe…

I agree and not trying to typecast—but maybe their personality + Asperger’s = dubious people-oriented decisions? I’m not a doctor nor do I know anyone with Asperger’s but it is a variable at play. But quickly looking it up it’s a social-oriented disorder. Elon is making dubious social-oriented decisions.

The entire field of psychology is about dubious social-oriented decisions and classifying them (hoping that by classifying them, we can gain insights into how to improve behavior).

The kinds of dubious social-oriented decisions associated with Asperger's does _NOT_ match what Elon Musk is doing. What he is doing is closer to narcissistic personality disorder and/or sociopathic personality disorder.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Post by [deleted] »

heather45879 wrote: post #191
dragontamer wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> asperger's syndrome Elon Musk just _pretends_ to have Asperger's. I know plenty of people on the spectrum, they aren't assholes. There's also the "Ye's bipolar disorder" effect. Its a challenge I'm sure to have it, but I also know people who are bipolar. Anti-semitism is _NOT_ on the list of symptoms. We can criticize Ye's anti-semetism without making fun of his bipolar / mental illness. So even _IF_ Elon hada Aspe…

I agree and not trying to typecast—but maybe their personality + Asperger’s = dubious people-oriented decisions? I’m not a doctor nor do I know anyone with Asperger’s but it is a variable at play. But quickly looking it up it’s a social-oriented disorder. Elon is making dubious social-oriented decisions.

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Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Post by TheCapeGreek »

dragontamer wrote: post #181
heather45879 wrote: post #169

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So he’s just like Bill Gates in the 90’s. A little douche with an ego and deceptive business practices. Not sure why no one mentions his asperger's syndrome because that’s an obvious mastodon in the room.

> asperger's syndrome Elon Musk just _pretends_ to have Asperger's. I know plenty of people on the spectrum, they aren't assholes. There's also the "Ye's bipolar disorder" effect. Its a challenge I'm sure to have it, but I also know people who are bipolar. Anti-semitism is _NOT_ on the list of symptoms. We can criticize Ye's anti-semetism without making fun of his bipolar / mental illness. So even _IF_ Elon hada Aspe…

Being a dick doesn't disqualify you from being on the spectrum.

Anecdotally, from the Aspergous people I know, they and Elon share a certain kind of body language you pick up on over time. It's a slight fidgeting as if clothes are constantly uncomfortable (likely due to constant stimulation).

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Post by skissane »

dragontamer wrote: post #181
heather45879 wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So he’s just like Bill Gates in the 90’s. A little douche with an ego and deceptive business practices. Not sure why no one mentions his asperger's syndrome because that’s an obvious mastodon in the room.

> asperger's syndrome Elon Musk just _pretends_ to have Asperger's. I know plenty of people on the spectrum, they aren't assholes. There's also the "Ye's bipolar disorder" effect. Its a challenge I'm sure to have it, but I also know people who are bipolar. Anti-semitism is _NOT_ on the list of symptoms. We can criticize Ye's anti-semetism without making fun of his bipolar / mental illness. So even _IF_ Elon hada Aspe…

> but I also know people who are bipolar. Anti-semitism is _NOT_ on the list of symptoms.

Obsessing over some socially unacceptable idea absolutely can be a manifestation of bipolar disorder for some people. Especially when one considers that bipolar can sometimes be associated with psychosis, and obsessive antisemitic/racist/etc thoughts are not uncommon in people with psychosis (famous example: Terry Davis, who I think actually even had a bipolar diagnosis at one point - it is common for people to initially be diagnosed with bipolar before eventually getting a schizophrenia or schizoaffective diagnosis as the psychotic symptoms become more prominent and enduring).

Kanye’s antisemitism is wrong and reprehensible. I can’t tell to what extent it is a symptom of his mental health problems, and I don’t think you really can either: neither of us is a mental health professional, and he is not our patient/client. But simply looking at a list of symptoms, and saying “X is not on it”, is a very ignorant way to approach the topic. Even if his antisemitism is partially due to his bipolar, that doesn’t mean he should just be allowed to get away with it, just like how a bipolar person who commits a crime in a manic state (sometimes happens) doesn’t just get away with it, although it may be appropriate to take that into account as a mitigating factor (as opposed to a “get out of jail free” card)

Similarly, I have no idea whether Musk has ASD. But ASD absolutely can make some people behave in a way which others perceive as being an “asshole”, so if he does have it, those behaviours could well in part be contributed to by it. That’s not saying that everyone with ASD is an “asshole”, or that a person with ASD has no responsibility to try their best to adjust to meet society’s expectations - but isn’t it obvious that a disorder whose symptoms can include difficulty thinking about social situations or understanding social rules, obliviousness to the thoughts and feelings of others, unusual obsessions, etc, can sometimes lead people to behave in ways perceived by others as being an “asshole”, even a failure to adjust one’s behaviour in response to that feedback?

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #154
SilverBirch wrote: post #116

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I actually think this is quite a long way away from funny. We've been able to watch Elon Musk get radicalized in real time. That's quite worrying when you consider the amount of resources he has available to him. During the Trump years there was a lot of talk about how Trump is bad, but fundamentally incompetent. Well now we're going to see what extremism looks like when a far more competent person is orchestrating i…

Yes. However, I would argue that is a good thing. Musk has become a poster child one can easily point to and ask a question along the lines of 'is it reasonable for society to allow a person with resources near some nation-state levels to exist and not limit their ability to gather that amount of resources?' While in general I am very permissive and I hate imposition on my individual freedoms, I am increasingly convi…

When a game is rigged, you don't have to be competent to win

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Post by matwood »

itjrjrjrirjrr wrote: post #173
tjpnz wrote: post #71

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Only if it doesn't include parody or bruise Elon's fragile ego.

Almost every other tweet on my feed is mocking Musk. The tweeters aren't banned

Since Musk is the only person left in the moderation department, it takes him time to get to everyone.

Re: Twitter's anti-Mastodon filter evasion

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Post by lapcat »

lettergram wrote: post #179
paulgb wrote: post #10

The pivot from “I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law”[1] to “I get to use censorship to kneecap a competitor because it’s my site now” was almost comically quick. [1] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519036983137509376

Pretty sure Musk was discussing freedom of ideas. That said; many of us also thought Kanye shouldn’t have been banned. Few on hacker news agreed lol You either have absolute freedom of speech or none, in many ways. That said, I appreciate that at least people are being told why they are banned. The prior set of billionaires who owned Twitter often wouldn’t say why. Blocking links to competitors, blocking real-time tr…

> at least people are being told why they are banned

This is not even true. "i did not delete anything. i received no notification about which tweet got me suspended. i still have no idea" https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/1604227164416925696

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