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Re: Bullshit

#101

Post by Jgrubb »

Jgrubb wrote: post #95
zobzu wrote: post #35

Deeply agree on that list. But there are some o at least one company that I'd actually trust more than others, and support, and that's Mozilla. Because there's no share holders. Because it's owned by non-profit. And because their track record is perfect so far. Everything's open. All the development is in the open, not just the code. Everything's made for our best interest actually.

Funny enough, I gave FF the heave somewhere in 3.x and switched to Chrome. I love Chrome. I love working on Chrome. But I've been thinking a lot the last few days about what you just said. Now how do I get my bookmarks out of Chrome and back into FF...

So, that wasn't so difficult.

Re: Bullshit

#102

Post by edw519 »

You forgot the biggest bullshit of all, Marco.

Hacker News users:

I'm so mad that the government is doing !

I'm so mad that big business is doing !

I'm so mad that venture capitalists are doing !

I'm so mad that angel investors are doing !

I'm so mad that got funding!

I'm so mad that language doesn't do !

I'm so mad that I can't jailbreak !

I'm so mad that I'm actually expected to pay for !

I'm so mad that more people don't visit my blog!

I'm so mad that so many people visit blog !

I'm so mad that person is a jerk!

So what did you build today?

Nothing. I can't focus.

Re: Bullshit

#103

Post by blinkingled »

Marco, Gruber, MG have their own BS :

  *Android is NOT open
It gets stated as absolute fact only by Apple and its hardcore followers (Steve Jobs said Windows is open not Android first, DF, MG and MA have been religiously snarking out on any chance to declare Android not open.)

It is BS because all 3 of them do this only to promote what they subscribe to - i.e. they have no consequence from Android not being open (they use and promote iOS which is epitome of closed which in turn means they don't really care about open - they only care about pointing it out in an attempt to nullify the claimed Android advantage against iOS - hey it's not really open anyways, so get in on our team. Which to me is a obnoxious or even a little evil, cotradictory and self-promoting reason to complain about not being open.)

Re: Bullshit

#105

Post by angli »

adabsurdo wrote: post #80
arctangent wrote: post #33

> Facebook: "Our users want to interact with brands." As distasteful as the hacker crowd may find it, this is probably a true statement. A significant number of people (in the developed world) really do construct a large part of their personal identity by buying branded products from companies in order to signal something about themselves. There's a section on this on the Wikipedia page for "Brand": http://en.wikiped…

kind of ironic to say hackers are above branding, when here we are arguing Apple vs Google vs Facebook!

I'd argue that this discussion isn't at all branding - it's about something more fundamental — user expectations, privacy actual fact. We're not arguing that Facebook is bad because it's Facebook. If Apple and Facebook switched places tomorrow, we'd still be "arguing" (though I feel this is the wrong word) about the same basic points.

Re: Bullshit

#106

Post by bad_user »

blinkingled wrote: post #103

Marco, Gruber, MG have their own BS : *Android is NOT open It gets stated as absolute fact only by Apple and its hardcore followers (Steve Jobs said Windows is open not Android first, DF, MG and MA have been religiously snarking out on any chance to declare Android not open.) It is BS because all 3 of them do this only to promote what they subscribe to - i.e. they have no consequence from Android not being open (they…

Their arguments are also inconsistent.

Marco is saying on one hand that Android is closed, but on the other hand he says that Amazon's App Store will take over Android's distribution. By definition, if Android wasn't open, then Amazon couldn't fork Android's source-code, they couldn't distribute it on their own devices and they couldn't build a third-party app store.

Another argument is that Android phones are locked by carriers and filled with crapware, but again by definition, if Google restricted the actions of carriers, then Android wouldn't be open.

Re: Bullshit

#107

Post by Pheter »

rfergie wrote: post #79
Pheter wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it works, which is why they do it.

I work with some brands on trying to measure this and in many cases I'm not sure it does work. The typical process works like this: 1. Brand creates facebook page 2. People who really, really love the brand connect with the page. 3. The brand observes that people who have connected with them on social media are excellent customers. 4. The brand tries to increase the number of connected users by offering promotions an…

Social media is by no means a silver bullet, but that's not to say that it doesn't have it's uses for brands. Raising awareness, however, is something that social media can be particularly useful for.

Re: Bullshit

#108

Post by KeithMajhor »

blinkingled wrote: post #103

Marco, Gruber, MG have their own BS : *Android is NOT open It gets stated as absolute fact only by Apple and its hardcore followers (Steve Jobs said Windows is open not Android first, DF, MG and MA have been religiously snarking out on any chance to declare Android not open.) It is BS because all 3 of them do this only to promote what they subscribe to - i.e. they have no consequence from Android not being open (they…

In all seriousness. What does "open" even mean? I've noticed that no one is saying "open source". Not that I know what that really means either. Android isn't developed in the open they just release the source code. That's the only real difference from Windows 7. So is this all just relative to the phone market? It's "open" as far as phones go?

I get the feeling "open" is not something you can be. It's a continuum. Things can be more or less "open" but nothing can actually be "open".

Re: Bullshit

#109

Post by 3lit3H4ck3r »

rfergie wrote: post #79
Pheter wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it works, which is why they do it.

I work with some brands on trying to measure this and in many cases I'm not sure it does work. The typical process works like this: 1. Brand creates facebook page 2. People who really, really love the brand connect with the page. 3. The brand observes that people who have connected with them on social media are excellent customers. 4. The brand tries to increase the number of connected users by offering promotions an…

^-Can also be described as a summation of why Groupon will not last in the long run. Well said Sir or Ma'am.

Re: Bullshit

#110

Post by nl »

dasil003 wrote: post #86
padolsey wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, could you provide an example of where advertising improves the user experience?

It improves the user experience by allowing amazing free services to exist. You're being entirely too cynical about this. Yes the profit motive exists for corporations. So what? It exists for individuals too. Do you only do volunteer work because anything else would be selling out? Seeking a profit does not imply moral bankruptcy. This sort of thinking is a knee-jerk reaction to the de-humanization of commerce and in…

It improves the user experience by allowing amazing free services to exist.

That may be true, but that isn't what I meant.

I meant that there are numerous example where exposing your audience to something for commercial purposes may benefit the audience.

For example, the paid results of a search like http://www.google.com.au/search?q=web+hosting are arguably better than the heavily SEO'ed organic results. That's because the profit motive for the web companies encourages them to pay enough to expose themselves, whereas less legitimiate affiliate sites can't afford to compete because they are further down the profit chain (meaning they don't have the margins to pay for the most common keywords)

The other good example (as I noted elsewhere) are recommendation systems like Amazon and Netflix use.

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