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Re: John Carmack Leaves Meta

#891

Post by Apofis »

throwaway_8989 wrote: post #452
Arjuna wrote: post #111

”It has been a struggle for me. I have a voice at the highest levels here, so it feels like I should be able to move things, but I'm evidently not persuasive enough. A good fraction of the things I complain about eventually turn my way after a year or two passes and evidence piles up, but I have never been able to kill stupid things before they cause damage, or set a direction and have a team actually stick to it. I…

Throwaway because it could be easy to identify my position from my normal account name. Carmack is many thing, engineering genius above them. However, he would frequently wade into areas where he had no experience, demand others do what he said, ignore evidence he was wrong, bully people, and disparage entire teams who were doing good, and in some cases legally required, work. When data proved his idea was wrong, he…

People with attitudes like yours are why Zuckerberg _WILL_ fail in his vision. If Meta VR cannot be more compelling than video games, it is and will continue to be Dead on Arrival. Good luck though, with your feelings and whatnot. The "avatars" that Mark was forced to present are frankly embarrassing and humiliating in this day and age. 5% GPU utilization is a joke. Mark's gotta give all of you the boot. I'm happy for John that he got to escape that sycophantian paradise.

Re: John Carmack Leaves Meta

#892

Post by [deleted] »

throwaway_8989 wrote: post #452
Arjuna wrote: post #111

”It has been a struggle for me. I have a voice at the highest levels here, so it feels like I should be able to move things, but I'm evidently not persuasive enough. A good fraction of the things I complain about eventually turn my way after a year or two passes and evidence piles up, but I have never been able to kill stupid things before they cause damage, or set a direction and have a team actually stick to it. I…

Throwaway because it could be easy to identify my position from my normal account name. Carmack is many thing, engineering genius above them. However, he would frequently wade into areas where he had no experience, demand others do what he said, ignore evidence he was wrong, bully people, and disparage entire teams who were doing good, and in some cases legally required, work. When data proved his idea was wrong, he…

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Re: John Carmack Leaves Meta

#893

Post by arolihas »

Apofis wrote: post #891
throwaway_8989 wrote: post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Throwaway because it could be easy to identify my position from my normal account name. Carmack is many thing, engineering genius above them. However, he would frequently wade into areas where he had no experience, demand others do what he said, ignore evidence he was wrong, bully people, and disparage entire teams who were doing good, and in some cases legally required, work. When data proved his idea was wrong, he…

People with attitudes like yours are why Zuckerberg _WILL_ fail in his vision. If Meta VR cannot be more compelling than video games, it is and will continue to be Dead on Arrival. Good luck though, with your feelings and whatnot. The "avatars" that Mark was forced to present are frankly embarrassing and humiliating in this day and age. 5% GPU utilization is a joke. Mark's gotta give all of you the boot. I'm happy fo…

5% gpu utilization was just an analogy carmack used, he clarified in an edit to the post.

Re: John Carmack Leaves Meta

#894

Post by [deleted] »

throwaway675309 wrote: post #854
gompertz wrote: post #620

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What a fatuous argument. Have you considered that they may have used speech to text to dictate there (sic.) response from a mobile device, or that perhaps their (sic.) not a native speaker? I find that the people who are overly concerned about semantics tend to be the people who have the least to offer in terms of substance. The idea that you can draw a correlation between one's technological aptitude and the inabili…

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Re: John Carmack Leaves Meta

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Post by [deleted] »

ChildOfChaos wrote: post #548
comfypotato wrote: post #516

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At risk of upsetting this thread’s balance and reducing it to negativity: I prefer your parent comment’s interpretation of the Go. “Ahead of its time”? Technology is the last space where a newfangled product would lose momentum by being released to early. I’m open to being proved ignorant here. Can you think of some examples where tech was obviously ahead of its time and not accepted? Subscription music services like…

Stadia is a great example. I am still using it today before the shut down, it's amazing how it's actually got me into playing games again and it's fantastic for casual games with friends since everyone can play no matter there hardware and the multiplayer features are fantastic for this. It works and it is fantastic, but it's ahead of it's time and most people don't know what it is. That and Google's mismanagement of…

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Re: John Carmack Leaves Meta

#896

Post by AYBABTME »

throwaway_8989 wrote: post #452
Arjuna wrote: post #111

”It has been a struggle for me. I have a voice at the highest levels here, so it feels like I should be able to move things, but I'm evidently not persuasive enough. A good fraction of the things I complain about eventually turn my way after a year or two passes and evidence piles up, but I have never been able to kill stupid things before they cause damage, or set a direction and have a team actually stick to it. I…

Throwaway because it could be easy to identify my position from my normal account name. Carmack is many thing, engineering genius above them. However, he would frequently wade into areas where he had no experience, demand others do what he said, ignore evidence he was wrong, bully people, and disparage entire teams who were doing good, and in some cases legally required, work. When data proved his idea was wrong, he…

His critique resonates with my expectations from large enterprises, and your perception also resonates from what I expect of large enterprises workers. So I'm guessing he's probably not wrong and your experience was probably an example of him hitting social/political roadblocks. In my arguably limited human sized experience, the vast majority of people at Meta-sized companies prefer the safety and comfort of things going slowly and being discussed at length, and being careful to respect all the hoops that need jumping through. And not having their caged shaken too much. This leads to 5% GPU utilization.

Re: John Carmack Leaves Meta

#897

Post by OttoVonBizark »

throwaway675309 wrote: post #854
gompertz wrote: post #620

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

What a fatuous argument. Have you considered that they may have used speech to text to dictate there (sic.) response from a mobile device, or that perhaps their (sic.) not a native speaker? I find that the people who are overly concerned about semantics tend to be the people who have the least to offer in terms of substance. The idea that you can draw a correlation between one's technological aptitude and the inabili…

or just be dyslexic or any other myriad of disorders like ADHD etc that may affect such minor grammatical rules yet not change or alter the likelihood that they could be a senior meta engineer?

Re: John Carmack Leaves Meta

#898

Post by josefx »

MikusR wrote: post #279
CursedUrn wrote: post #99

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Meta definitely isn't focused on fidelity and graphics. Their mobile VR push degraded VR graphics significantly.

Carmack was the one who was pushing for mobile.

From the text it seems that mobile is not the issue "5% GPU utilization" screams of seriously large problems on the CPU side. What where they writing their software with? CPython, an interpreter only JavaScript runtime?

Also the current generation of VR was basically build on top of smartphone hardware and there where quite a few ideas to make use of the full hardware instead of using it as a dumb display.

Re: John Carmack Leaves Meta

#899

Post by mikestaub »

I lost massive respect for Carmack after he testified in court that he downloaded ZeniMax emails after leaving for Oculus. He also claimed he rewrote all the code from scratch but it's possible much of the IP was in those emails. This is dishonorable behavior. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/02/oculus-execs-liable-f...

Re: John Carmack Leaves Meta

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Post by b20000 »

This is a strong signal of how the leetcode hiring process gives rise to a bad and inefficient work environment staffed with the wrong type of engineers, resulting in a highly experienced engineer to simply walk away.
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