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Re: Tell HN: Google is correlating location data to your IP

#21
Not you IP address but your router/access point's MAC address and been doing it for many years.

For example, I receive quite a few devices for reviews, and I mostly give things away after using those. Many years ago, I gave a friend in another city a router. For a few weeks his computer and other devices reported his location as being my city instead of his. It took a couple of weeks for Google services to catch up.

Google logs your current location and the MAC address of any access point visible to your phone. In your case, if you used your phone via the VPN for more than a few hours, Google associates that MAC address with the finer location from your phone's GPS. It may not link that data to your account, but it uses it to help getting a GPS location.

If you live in a location with low traffic/human density then it may take longer for Google to change it back.

This information is also used for a GPS cold start. Actual GPS takes a few moments to get a fix, even more if indoors. A GPS get a fix faster if you are using it close to where it was last used, or how fresh the stored almanac data is, otherwise it may not find expected satellites in certain locations in the sky. While a fix is not available phone GPS uses any visible MAC address to determine its coarse location.

On laptops and desktops with no GPS, browsers will use this access point data to set a location - IP addresses databases are not up to date enough and sometimes they are linked to the ISP office address and not to specific towns and cities and certainly not to a specific address.

Re: Tell HN: Google is correlating location data to your IP

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Not you IP address but your router/access point's MAC address and been doing it for many years. For example, I receive quite a few devices for reviews, and I mostly give things away after using those. Many years ago, I gave a friend in another city a router. For a few weeks his computer and other devices reported his location as being my city instead of his. It took a couple of weeks for Google services to catch up.…

How do they get mac address from HTTP requests?

Re: Tell HN: Google is correlating location data to your IP

#23
It sounds like a leaky tunnel.

Also, is it your private tunnel? I think it also looks at the language settings of the bulk of users coming from that IP address. As an example, try using any public VPN hosted in a German datacenter, with a German IP address on a German AS, but created by Iranians (either as help to circumvent the crackdown or as a honeypot; they routinely post these en masse on Telegram), and you'll be detected as Iranian and start getting results in Farsi.

(don't try it actually, or at least use precautions and while not logged in)

Re: Tell HN: Google is correlating location data to your IP

#24
As other people have said in exhaustive detail: where you are comes from a lot of signals other than your IP address at the VPN end of your VPN. Off the top of my head: you connected to some cell tower in Mexico.

Go to google.com/history and clear out all history from all services. Go to YouTube and do the same. Clear everything from your browsers, meaning you have to log in again. If it's allowed, return the phone to its default state.

Just for good measure, power the phone off, take the battery out, wait an hour, put the battery back in, and power back up again (this part is cargo-cult, I know).

There are probably even more sanitary measures I'm missing here.

Re: Tell HN: Google is correlating location data to your IP

#25

Not you IP address but your router/access point's MAC address and been doing it for many years. For example, I receive quite a few devices for reviews, and I mostly give things away after using those. Many years ago, I gave a friend in another city a router. For a few weeks his computer and other devices reported his location as being my city instead of his. It took a couple of weeks for Google services to catch up.…

How do they get mac address from HTTP requests?

They can get it from your android phone or from chrome if you’re running it

Re: Tell HN: Google is correlating location data to your IP

#26

Not you IP address but your router/access point's MAC address and been doing it for many years. For example, I receive quite a few devices for reviews, and I mostly give things away after using those. Many years ago, I gave a friend in another city a router. For a few weeks his computer and other devices reported his location as being my city instead of his. It took a couple of weeks for Google services to catch up.…

How do they get mac address from HTTP requests?

They don't. But Chrome, Google Play Services and other popular apps likely share this data frequently.

Re: Tell HN: Google is correlating location data to your IP

#27

Not you IP address but your router/access point's MAC address and been doing it for many years. For example, I receive quite a few devices for reviews, and I mostly give things away after using those. Many years ago, I gave a friend in another city a router. For a few weeks his computer and other devices reported his location as being my city instead of his. It took a couple of weeks for Google services to catch up.…

How do they get mac address from HTTP requests?

In a http request/response, mac address would be meta data. ARP is not a thing there. That would be an example of data snaffling.

Re: Tell HN: Google is correlating location data to your IP

#28

> I can't believe Google is doing this Have you been living under a rock?

No, I'm pretty careful about the information that I give to Google. The only Google app on my phone with access to my location is Google Maps. To me, it's absolutely news that Google Maps data can taint my entire IP address across all Google services. Ultimately, sure, great, I realize Google is going to Google, but this is absolutely not something I've seen discussed previously.

> taint my entire IP address across all Google services.

When in .mx your cell phone location was on, and you used apps like Google maps at least partially through the house/hotel wifi which you tunneled to exit in USA? If so, that tied the "trusted" phone location to the IP you used to exit traffic in USA.

Re: Tell HN: Google is correlating location data to your IP

#29
> I just wish I could make this known to Google's advertisers. Are they aware that when I travel, they're pay to show me ads that I can't understand?

I live in Canada, but came to Australia for an extended period to visit family.

I'd been in Australia, using wifi and a local Aussie SIM for over 6 months and Facebook and google were still showing me ads for Canadian things. I wonder if people paying for FB and Google ads know they're being shown to people outside the country like that. I'd be mad if I were paying for that.

Re: Tell HN: Google is correlating location data to your IP

#30
I recently bought a brand new pair of golf shoes from a physical store. I did not even search for them or look at any golf shoes online. The next day, I got Google ads served for the same brand of shoes I bought... Coincidence? Seemed very creepy. I know they sometimes do "re-tageting", but in this case I am sure I didn't look at any stores online. Only the fact that I physically visited a store with my tracking devi... errr i mean "phone", in my pocket...
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