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Re: Bullshit

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I would like to see a list of Amazon's bullshit.

"There are two kinds of companies, those that work to try to charge more and those that work to charge less. We will be the second." — Jeff Bezos "We expect all our businesses to have a positive impact on our top and bottom lines. Profitability is very important to us or we wouldn't be in this business. " — Jeff Bezos "We see our customers as invited guests to a party, and we are the hosts. It's our job every day to…

How is this bullshit? >"We expect all our businesses to have a positive impact on our top and bottom lines. Profitability is very important to us or we wouldn't be in this business. "

If anything thats being upfront that Amazon is a business in the business of making money.

Re: Bullshit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"There are two kinds of companies, those that work to try to charge more and those that work to charge less. We will be the second." — Jeff Bezos "We expect all our businesses to have a positive impact on our top and bottom lines. Profitability is very important to us or we wouldn't be in this business. " — Jeff Bezos "We see our customers as invited guests to a party, and we are the hosts. It's our job every day to…

How is this bullshit? >"We expect all our businesses to have a positive impact on our top and bottom lines. Profitability is very important to us or we wouldn't be in this business. " If anything thats being upfront that Amazon is a business in the business of making money.

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Re: Bullshit

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When I think of something being "bullshit", I think it is totally false. But many of these points are part-truths, not complete falsehoods.

For example, Google tracks lots of personal data to make their products better. So the sentence "We solicit all of your personal information and track everything you do to make things better for you" is partially true. Of course, something is in it for Google too. When they add new features to a product driven by personal data mining, they seek to grow market share. They also use your personal data to target ads at you better. And they may be using it for further research projects that you don't know about.

But the statement has a lot of truth to it. That's not the normal definition of "bullshit".

Re: Bullshit

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post #9
post #3

I would like to see a list of Amazon's bullshit.

"There are two kinds of companies, those that work to try to charge more and those that work to charge less. We will be the second." — Jeff Bezos "We expect all our businesses to have a positive impact on our top and bottom lines. Profitability is very important to us or we wouldn't be in this business. " — Jeff Bezos "We see our customers as invited guests to a party, and we are the hosts. It's our job every day to…

"premium products at non premium prices" - second part is true, first part is not

Re: Bullshit

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With Apple, I'm the customer, not a marketer. This makes me comfortable with our relationship. I don't really care about Ping or app store approval policies, so, meh...

With Google, I can see their ability to become a shady company pretty easily, but it is just too damn easy to switch search engines. Bing isn't so bad you know.

But Facebook knows so much about me, and the network effects are so strong -- this is the company I feel most unpleasantly stuck to. Not "Comcast stuck" mind you, but still, more "stuck" than I'd like. It's like my friends keep having parties at a bar I'm not super fond of... and I keep going.

Re: Bullshit

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When I think of something being "bullshit", I think it is totally false. But many of these points are part-truths, not complete falsehoods. For example, Google tracks lots of personal data to make their products better. So the sentence "We solicit all of your personal information and track everything you do to make things better for you" is partially true. Of course, something is in it for Google too. When they add n…

I don't disagree, but I think in the context, bullshit is being used to mean PR-talk. As you say, PR talk might be half (or more, or less) truths, but it smells nonetheless.

Re: Bullshit

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When I think of something being "bullshit", I think it is totally false. But many of these points are part-truths, not complete falsehoods. For example, Google tracks lots of personal data to make their products better. So the sentence "We solicit all of your personal information and track everything you do to make things better for you" is partially true. Of course, something is in it for Google too. When they add n…

Marco's use is consistent with "On Bullshit", Harry Frankfurt, 1986. Specifically: "Bullshit can either be true or false but bullshitters aim primarily to impress and persuade their audiences." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bullshit)
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