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Re: Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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Post by dangus »

fandaa wrote: post #154
dangus wrote: post #138

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Groan , the luddite mentality about Windows is and has always been out of control, with so many people insisting on living on decade-old software for silly pedantic reasons like "cloud crap" that can be turned off in 5 seconds. Don't move my cheese, nothing else can possibly be better, Windows peaked 10 years ago. No, my Windows 11 system doesn't use a Microsoft Account. No, I don't get ads on Windows (web search and…

I agree. But the peak is Windows 10 (BTW it already has the game bar). Windows 11 seems like a small step back in those things: I haven’t found a way how to show seconds when you click on bottom right datetime. I’ve used it countless times. Another annoying thing is the right click and hiding all things in something like Show more options. And the last one is drag&drop between windows. E.g. I was used to drag the fil…

Windows 11 has too many improvements over 10 for small things like that to bother me. At least, for me personally.

Re: Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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Post by dangus »

bambax wrote: post #171
dangus wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Groan , the luddite mentality about Windows is and has always been out of control, with so many people insisting on living on decade-old software for silly pedantic reasons like "cloud crap" that can be turned off in 5 seconds. Don't move my cheese, nothing else can possibly be better, Windows peaked 10 years ago. No, my Windows 11 system doesn't use a Microsoft Account. No, I don't get ads on Windows (web search and…

> so many people insisting on living on decade-old software for silly pedantic reasons But what could possibly be the point of changing something that works?? Buy a new machine, spend weeks or months reinstalling software, try to find alternatives for things that no longer work, and for what benefit? Yes one can run `ls ~/ | grep example` in a Windows 7 shell, and ok, it requires additional software, but once that ad…

Under that logic I'd still be using my Macintosh Classic.

I see this the other way around: Microsoft released enhancements and security patches for $0, and my computer can run the software.

What could possibly be the point of not changing my software where a new version that does more things is available for free?

Imagine a car manufacturer offering to give you a new car and take you old one with no significant catch and saying no. Why would I do that?

Resistance of change for resistance of change's sake alone is something that is a major pet peeve for me. It represents a negative personality trait in my mind. In my opinion, the day I refuse to use something solely because it's new, different, or scary is the day I've turned into an old grump.

Re: Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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Post by giantrobot »

Grazester wrote: post #128
bombcar wrote: post #115

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I remember holding out for 98 SE which had working USB or something.

95 OSR2 came with USB support.

Windows 98SE had a generic USB mass storage driver and generally much better USB support.

Re: Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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Post by dangus »

Sebb767 wrote: post #166
leviathant wrote: post #144

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I'm regularly amazed at how many people there are on HN that tell on themselves by complaining about ads in Windows. It's like complaining that IKEA furniture is difficult to assemble. Ironically, I haven't made the jump to 11 yet just because my decade old Dell has an i7 that's been remarkably resilient for the kind of work I do on it. My favorite thing about Windows is the backwards compatibility. I had a 2005 era…

> I'm regularly amazed at how many people there are on HN that tell on themselves by complaining about ads in Windows. Maybe it's just me, but it gives me the feeling that the OS is actively working against me. I'm still having some configuration to do on Linux (hybrid graphics are fun and so is audio for my setup), but it's something caused by having so many options and limited time of contributors. On Windows, this…

I just think that this argument is always an exaggeration of the amount of hostility commercial software is directing at users, especially reputable commercial software like Windows (we're not talking about some mobile game trying to sell me gambling tokens).

I totally understand that some people prefer FOSS but it seems to turn into portraying commercial software in a distorted way.

For being 100% free as in beer software with no profitable hardware ecosystem behind it (macOS), Windows 11 bothers you relatively minimally, all with things that are easily dismissed.

Selling things isn't by definition amoral or adversarial. Someone who decides to search with Bing or store their data on OneDrive is getting a solution to their problem.

Even open source non-profit products like Firefox and Wikipedia try to sell products or donations to financially support development.

Re: Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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Post by bambax »

dangus wrote: post #192
bambax wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> so many people insisting on living on decade-old software for silly pedantic reasons But what could possibly be the point of changing something that works?? Buy a new machine, spend weeks or months reinstalling software, try to find alternatives for things that no longer work, and for what benefit? Yes one can run `ls ~/ | grep example` in a Windows 7 shell, and ok, it requires additional software, but once that ad…

Under that logic I'd still be using my Macintosh Classic. I see this the other way around: Microsoft released enhancements and security patches for $0, and my computer can run the software. What could possibly be the point of not changing my software where a new version that does more things is available for free? Imagine a car manufacturer offering to give you a new car and take you old one with no significant catch…

Change isn't friction free, and therefore it isn't "free" except if you count your time for nothing. It takes weeks or months to reinstall things that work fine as they are.

I love new things that are actually new and that bring a clear benefit; Windows 10 isn't "new", it's the same thing with the UI arranged in a slightly different way for no reason.

A computer is like a hammer. When you're used to one, and you suddenly decide to use another one, it takes time to feel its proper balance and use it with the same efficiency as the previous one. You can have two hammers that you use regularly; but changing hammers every year just because there's a new one with a handle in a different color is absurd IMHO.

Re: Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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Post by guestbest »

guestbest wrote: post #35
WhackyIdeas wrote: post #5

I am very curious of how long it would take to be ‘pwned’ whilst browsing the web with internet explorer on XP. Seconds, minutes, hours? Time to fire up a VM I think.

I’ve used windows XP tablet is on a Toshiba with a patched up version of Firefox designed to use TLS 1.3 on the internet without issues for hours. I think most software is so I’m compatible with it that even hacking it is a history lesson.

Most hacking software is so incompatible with xp, I meant to write

Re: Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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Post by dangus »

bambax wrote: post #195
dangus wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Under that logic I'd still be using my Macintosh Classic. I see this the other way around: Microsoft released enhancements and security patches for $0, and my computer can run the software. What could possibly be the point of not changing my software where a new version that does more things is available for free? Imagine a car manufacturer offering to give you a new car and take you old one with no significant catch…

Change isn't friction free, and therefore it isn't "free" except if you count your time for nothing. It takes weeks or months to reinstall things that work fine as they are. I love new things that are actually new and that bring a clear benefit; Windows 10 isn't "new", it's the same thing with the UI arranged in a slightly different way for no reason. A computer is like a hammer. When you're used to one, and you sudd…

That comment just shows me you haven't used Windows 10, nor have you used Windows 11. I mean, you're still talking about Windows 10 like it's a new thing. That OS came out 7 years ago!

The feature/enhancement list of Windows 10 and its constant iterative updates and now Windows 11 is probably hundreds of items. How am I supposed to communicate to you that it's more than just a new UI when an operating system is made up of so many different pieces?

It's hard to "win" against arguments like this because your side of the argument amounts to "I haven't seen it but I assume it has to be basically the same" or "from the screenshots I can see it's a new UI and it's basically just Windows."

Here's one: Does Windows 7 have any low-level optimization for big little architecture in Intel's new chips? https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-and-intel-confirm-wind...

To win this argument I'd have to come up with some big feature list and hope there are a few that resonate with you, but you can easily dismiss it as "I don't need that."

No, it didn't take me weeks or months to upgrade from Windows 10 to 11. I clicked a button and I walked away. The computer updates itself. Automatically, at night, when I'm asleep.

I upgraded to Windows 11 relatively early and nothing broke. No workflow was disrupted. Windows' backwards compatibility is legendary.

You're looking at this like upgrading isn't worth the lift, but that's backwards. Upgrading is so easy and just gives you more stuff with basically no downside (and Microsoft fixes big complaints about new releases quickly these days because they take feedback and release continuously – they have a whole app just for providing feedback).

Re: Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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Post by bambax »

dangus wrote: post #197
bambax wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Change isn't friction free, and therefore it isn't "free" except if you count your time for nothing. It takes weeks or months to reinstall things that work fine as they are. I love new things that are actually new and that bring a clear benefit; Windows 10 isn't "new", it's the same thing with the UI arranged in a slightly different way for no reason. A computer is like a hammer. When you're used to one, and you sudd…

That comment just shows me you haven't used Windows 10, nor have you used Windows 11. I mean, you're still talking about Windows 10 like it's a new thing. That OS came out 7 years ago! The feature/enhancement list of Windows 10 and its constant iterative updates and now Windows 11 is probably hundreds of items. How am I supposed to communicate to you that it's more than just a new UI when an operating system is made…

I don't want to "win". I'm happy if you are. While I have never used Win11, I have two laptops running Win10 and seldom use them because they're the same, only different (and they apparently won't run Office 2003, which is the last version before that stupid "ribbon" interface that's annoying to no end).

But it's funny the one bug feature you mention is "low level optimization for Intel new chips". So indeed, it's not just a software thing: in order to fully appreciate the greatness of that new OS I would have to buy a new CPU (not free) and all that comes with it.

I don't see the need to do that, but if you want to do it please do! But why does it upset you if others don't want to upgrade, and why would you label them luddites and grumpy old farts, is my question.

Can't we agree to disagree?

Re: Legacy Update: Fix Windows Update on Windows XP, Vista, Server 2008, 2003, 2000

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Post by highwaylights »

eterm wrote: post #157
highwaylights wrote: post #156

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Windows 11 is the best it’s ever been. I really don’t understand everyone’s issue. I get they try to push you towards a cloud account, but you don’t have to have one, and the ads can be much easier excised than the bloatware they used to install.

Every time I do a "big" windows update I get 4-5 nag screens telling me I should sign up and sign in, some of which have "skip" buttons and some of which don't so you have to click "cancel" instead which to most users would probably be scared to do since they'd worry it would cancel everything instead of just "cancelling" the sign in to cloud.

I agree, but you can move around those screens and keep your account offline.

Do I wish they wouldn’t try to funnel you? Sure, but every tech company does this and no-one bats an eye.

I’m not excusing it, just saying it’s standard behaviour in 2022 and objectively I’d rather click through those rare funnels than not if it gets me modern protections like memory isolation and secure boot.

Also I really like the new UI, but I realise I’m an outlier on this.

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