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Re: Songtell

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I tried Yaosobi's Racing into the Night (which is about a woman tempting a man into suicide [1]) and the AI understanding is completely the opposite lol:

https://www.songtell.com/genius-english-translations/yoasobi...

Though granted, the metaphor in the lyrics "racing into the night" is probably lost on this AI

[1]: https://www.otaquest.com/yoasobi-2020-breakout-japanese-act/

Re: Songtell

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My question is: have you trained this using existing discussions about song meanings, or is it just using an existing model of general language to infer meaning?

It's the plain GPT-3, I just crafted a good prompt. In the future I might fine-tune it providing examples based on the most upvoted meanings (still have to implement the feature)

Right, interesting. The song I thought first to ask about is all along the watchtower because there’s so much disagreement on its meaning and it’s one that everyone classically reads too much into, apparently it’s sort of a nonsense reference to Bob Dylan being annoyed with his record company at the time.

The AI came up with the idea that the joker is a skeptic and the thief is a believer, which I can’t find reference to anywhere else and which I found quite strange.

Also interesting that it ascribes quite different meanings whether it is the Hendrix version or the Dylan version which suggests it must be drawing its meaning from something other than the lyrics, like it must be drawing the meaning from things that other people have said about the songs online, but it’s not just directly quoting them.

It’s exquisitely incorrect.

Re: Songtell

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post #2

I spent a lot of time in the early 2000s on discussion forums and songmeanings.net learning about and contributing to interpretations and meanings of songs. This is an interesting concept (AI lyric interpretation) and my comment is something a bit deeper than this concept itself. Perhaps I'm showing my age, but what makes lyric interpretation so cool is that it's the intersection of two people's life experiences - th…

We often hold AI to the bar of a highest submission in a field (critique this song to the level of a music/English verse critic) but if you think about the average quality it's performing much better in that context.

(Just get it to output "this song is really about drugs" and you're now up to the bar of "average Song Meanings" submission!)

Re: Songtell

#34
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My question is: have you trained this using existing discussions about song meanings, or is it just using an existing model of general language to infer meaning?

It's the plain GPT-3, I just crafted a good prompt. In the future I might fine-tune it providing examples based on the most upvoted meanings (still have to implement the feature)

Sub question: was the prompt you used “how would captain holt from Brooklyn 99 describe the song X”?

To quote the AI:

Meaning of the song "Push It" by Salt-N-Pepa

"Push It" by Salt-N-Pepa is an upbeat, danceable song about embracing one's own sexuality and being willing to see it as a positive. The lyrics tell listeners to “push it good” and “show the guys that we know how to become number one in a hot party show.” This is a call to women to take control of their sexual power, to own it and show it off with confidence. The song celebrates the freedom to do whatever one wants with their body, regardless of societal expectations and rules. The chorus includes themes of empowerment and self-acceptance, telling listeners to “push it good,” “push it real good,” and “get up on this.” The song has become popularly associated with female empowerment, and has served as an anthem of sorts for many women.

Re: Songtell

#36

Fascinating illustration of the allure, potential and pitfalls of AI. For example, its take on https://www.songtell.com/death-cab-for-cutie/i-will-possess-... is superficially accurate, yet misses the clear fact that the narrator is a stalker/controlling sociopath. So it will be if/when AIs that lack the ability to intuitively nuance are thrown at news feeds and other data sources to aggregate and interpret them, and…

tbf, humans are also pretty bad at this, which is why songs like R.E.M's "The One I Love" get so much airplay at weddings This is also pretty bad, but perhaps not quite as far from the original meaning https://www.songtell.com/r-e-m/the-one-i-love (the key line in the song is "a simple prop, to occupy my time"...) It's also better than a lot of Americans at figuring out that Born In the USA and Fortunate Son aren't p…

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Re: Songtell

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post #2

I spent a lot of time in the early 2000s on discussion forums and songmeanings.net learning about and contributing to interpretations and meanings of songs. This is an interesting concept (AI lyric interpretation) and my comment is something a bit deeper than this concept itself. Perhaps I'm showing my age, but what makes lyric interpretation so cool is that it's the intersection of two people's life experiences - th…

Isn't that true of all art interpretation, not just song lyrics?

That's subjective.

Re: Songtell

#38

It’s good at writing but not at subtext. “My Lovely Horse” is pretty spot on. https://www.songtell.com/father-ted/my-lovely-horse “You’re Gorgeous” less so https://www.songtell.com/babybird/you-re-gorgeous Still. What a time to be alive.

tbf, I think half the people that bought You're Gorgeous in the nineties because it was that nice song on the radio missed the subtext

Re: Songtell

#39

  The song "Big Car" by Severed Heads is about struggling with questions 
  of identity and where one fits in the larger world. [...] The narrator 
  seeks solace and reassurance and the presence of a "Big Car," which 
  appears to represent a symbol of success, support or protection.
Pretty sure the song literally is about being a car, waiting around for its owner.

The other songs I tried were pretty good. If one looks carefully, it is noticable that the interpretations are related more to typical themes related to the words, rather than the specific meanings of the songs.

Re: Songtell

#40

It’s good at writing but not at subtext. “My Lovely Horse” is pretty spot on. https://www.songtell.com/father-ted/my-lovely-horse “You’re Gorgeous” less so https://www.songtell.com/babybird/you-re-gorgeous Still. What a time to be alive.

tbf, I think half the people that bought You're Gorgeous in the nineties because it was that nice song on the radio missed the subtext

They did, that’s why I chose it. So maybe the site is doing a good job for its audience after all.
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