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Post by jjav »

floren wrote: post #179
jjav wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> mostly miss the GPS and music I mostly go phoneless if at all possible. I use an old ipod nano for music. It's much better at it than the phone because it is so tiny and thin (and has a headphone jack). For GPS my watch (Garmin) has GPS.

> For GPS my watch (Garmin) has GPS. Your watch can do navigation? Without being tethered to a phone? I'm interested, which model?

Oh, no I didn't mean navigation software. It has GPS, to show location and to record activity paths for bike rides, runs, hikes.

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Post by SquareWheel »

frereubu wrote: post #187
SquareWheel wrote: post #166

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I don't carry a cellphone. The rates are atrocious in Canada, and I don't like being rung when I'm out and about. The biggest problem is 2-factor. Many services are starting to require it, which has led me to losing access to various accounts. Looking at you, Paypal. Otherwise, it's fine. I make a paper shopping list. I schedule meetings in advance, and show up at the expected time. Uber isn't even in my city so ther…

In the UK, you can get texts sent to landline numbers. Not sure if it's carrier-dependent, but my Mum would occasionally get texts sent to her landline. She'd get a call saying that she'd received a text and the text was read to her by a computer. Perhaps that might work in Canada?

Thank you for the suggestion.

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Post by HardlyCurious »

ravenstine wrote: post #133
HardlyCurious wrote: post #91

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Rejection of the mainstream / establishment properties is the pretense. It isn't that you like something, it's that you don't want to be associated to some other things. And you don't want to be associated to those other things because of some pretense about what associating to those things means.

That's not a pretense. The word you're looking for is pretext . Rejecting the mainstream is completely a legitimate position on its own. The only way it can be a pretense is if it's done for appearance only. Well, maybe there are other ways, but that's the only one I can think of at the moment. Maybe this is confusing because of the phrase "false pretense", which is redundant and can lead to some people thinking that…

My previous comment wasn't worded the best.

At the end of the day, I think the pretentiousness comes from superiority signalling. When a vegan talks about how eating meat is wrong the implication is that they feel morally superior to those who eat meat. And when someone rejects things generally, as opposed to just liking their own things, it implies that those things they reject aren't worth consideration, and hence anyone who does has some inferior judgement or taste.

The statement "I would never listen to disco music" implies there is something wrong with doing so, and hence something wrong with those who choose to. "I would never listen to disco music" is a pretentious statement.

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Post by evanelias »

Vt71fcAqt7 wrote: post #160
sequoia wrote: post #41

This is interesting but I can't help but notice how intensely performative these kids are as well, at least how they're characterized in this article. They're wearing Carhartt (an unusual choice for a metropolis like NYC), reading Dostoyevski and gathering to "listen to the wind." I will say most teens are like this and I certainly was myself, but I hope they are careful not to cultivate their own "artisan" brand of…

Anyone who thinks reading Dostoyevski is an acomplishment must be borderline illiterate*. None of his works are a hard read. Dostoyevski is the acomplishment, not the reader. Almost all fiction is a passive medium, the "work" has already been done by the auhtor. Tens (hundreds?) of millions of copies have been sold, and his works are required reading in many high schools. >I am glad to see "the kids" continuing to qu…

> They are the children of (rich?) Brooklyn hipster parents at a Performance arts school

Murrow isn't strictly a performance arts school, and it's not located in a particularly hip or excessively wealthy part of Brooklyn.

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Post by crdotson »

SquareWheel wrote: post #166
a-dub wrote: post #108

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it's the 2022 version of "kill your television" and i love it. in practice: i wonder how practical it is to survive as an adult without a smartphone. uber has decimated cabs and i don't think you can telephone for an uber. i wonder what else is unreachable/unworkable/etc...

I don't carry a cellphone. The rates are atrocious in Canada, and I don't like being rung when I'm out and about. The biggest problem is 2-factor. Many services are starting to require it, which has led me to losing access to various accounts. Looking at you, Paypal. Otherwise, it's fine. I make a paper shopping list. I schedule meetings in advance, and show up at the expected time. Uber isn't even in my city so ther…

SMS 2 factor is terrible anyway and is on the way out, although it may still be the only choice for some services for quite a while. A hardware security key is best, and TOTP (Google Authenticator and similar) is very good and both can be used without cell connectivity.

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Post by [deleted] »

Barrin92 wrote: post #279
HWR_14 wrote: post #145

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> Teaching your kid to stand up for themselves But they aren't standing up for themselves. They're standing up for decisions forced on them by their parents. > make friends that don't care about blue chat bubbles or fashionable clothes is necessary It has nothing to do with being cool (and I've never heard of anyone referencing blue chat bubbles that wasn't using it derogatorily like you are). It's about not being un…

>They're standing up for decisions forced on them by their parents That is quite literally the point of being a parent. They're children. They're not supposed to be raised by other children or by social media personalities they want to be like, but by you. If that means having to be the bad and unfun parent who they get mad at because they can't get to do the thing everyone else is doing that's the job. Good parents…

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Post by nicbou »

fleddr wrote: post #251

A simple tip to reduce usage. I would guess that a lot of smartphone usage happens within your home, which most people spent a lot of time in, even more so if you work from home. Put the phone in the next room. As simple as that. Break the convenience of having it with you. Working in a home office? Put it in the next room. Watching TV on the couch? Put it in the next room. Driving? Don't mount it. You'll still check…

It's absurdly effective. I leave my phone out of the bedroom. I end up reading a lot more.

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Post by nicbou »

overthemoon wrote: post #85
sedeki wrote: post #22

I want to start doing this too. I bought a flip-phone some time ago, but it never stuck. My usage is pretty much: listen to music, use (Google) calendar, texting, FaceTime. Any surfing is plain doom scrolling and not productive. Recommendations for me? Analog/simpler substitutes? For ppl that has gone down this path - how do you feel now?

I'd be curious as well. I realized in the last few months that I rarely enjoy looking at anything on my phone. I like it when my friends and family text me. I like the discord group I have with my friends, especially now that we all have kids and have moved away. I started by deleting apps that weren't essential, keeping the utilities or the things I don't do compulsively, or do situationally. With Twitter in particu…

I've taken a different approach: I spent about a year silencing anything that grabbed my attention and shouldn't. Ad blockers handle that job just fine. On social media, I just unfollowed everyone, and blocked every related content feed. These websites are empty, but accessible. They can be queried, but not browsed.

It worked great. I sometimes just don't know what to even look at on my phone. It's as exciting as an old flipphone.

That took care of the impulse. Beyond that, it's just a matter of self-discipline.

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Post by SquareWheel »

crdotson wrote: post #285
SquareWheel wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't carry a cellphone. The rates are atrocious in Canada, and I don't like being rung when I'm out and about. The biggest problem is 2-factor. Many services are starting to require it, which has led me to losing access to various accounts. Looking at you, Paypal. Otherwise, it's fine. I make a paper shopping list. I schedule meetings in advance, and show up at the expected time. Uber isn't even in my city so ther…

SMS 2 factor is terrible anyway and is on the way out, although it may still be the only choice for some services for quite a while. A hardware security key is best, and TOTP (Google Authenticator and similar) is very good and both can be used without cell connectivity.

In Paypal, for example, this is the screen I reach every time I try to log in.

https://i.imgur.com/V2WbK6C.png

There is no skip button. Even worse, every method I've tried to access customer support requires I be logged into an account.

I do have an Android device at home that may support TOPT, but a lot of websites still recklessly assume you have a mobile number available.

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

notch656c wrote: post #237
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #234

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I once applied for a SV company, and recruiter told me I need at least 100 FB friends. I created an account and played some stupid game that gave bonuses for bringing friends. After couple of days I had 400 friends. Manager emphasized my social acumen to everyone's cheer when introducing me to my new team.

Were they bilking you for contacts? Why on earth would that be a requirement? I'm wary of any job that requires me to disclose connection to non-employment related parties. It's a pretty well known scam technique used by places such as multi-level marketing to exploit someone and then toss them when sales channels through their contacts are exhausted.

No, that was a company with ~$5B revenues, they didn't need my contacts. My guess management thought people with many friends would be better team players.
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