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‘Luddite’ Teens

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Re: ‘Luddite’ Teens

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Post by jcelerier »

Archipelagia wrote: post #40

It reminded me of one of pg's old essays – http://paulgraham.com/addiction.html . Highly recommended. On a personal note, it's also something that worries me for the day when I'll finally have my own children. I wouldn't want them exposed to modern cyber-addictions from young age, but at the same time, I'm not sure how to protect them, when I can expect that all their peers will be on whatever social app's gonna be p…

> protect them

from what? I've spent countless, countless, countless hours on the internet since 1996 when I was 4, by age 9 I had my computer on my room, at 12/13 we were laughing with my friends about the horrible shit on rotten.com and now I have a fine life without any particular issue, so what are you trying to protect them from? doing dumb shit? e.g. there's nothing you can ever do that will prevent a dedicated 15-years old to have sex, smoke joints or get drunk, but if you try hard I can guarantee you that they will resent you a lot and will have a much, much harder time when they are free from parental control and are left in the wild.

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Post by jacooper »

Its great that people are starting to wane off algorithmic money maximizing social media, but you can do this without switching to a flip phone.

Just remove all social media and you will be set, even chat apps are OK, its really the rapid attention grabbing content that is the issue.

Also the books and the weird connection to wanting to stop the industrial revolution is just r/im14andthisisdeep material

> “I still long to have no phone at all,” she said. “My parents are so addicted. My mom got on Twitter, and I’ve seen it tear her apart. But I guess I also like it, because I get to feel a little superior to them.”

This is an interesting way to put it.

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Post by Anthony-G »

voisin wrote: post #255
huehehue wrote: post #236

Can't say that I love the praise over Chris McCandless, given the amount of deliberate self-sabotage and the fact that hikers have literally died trying to recreate his pilgrimage. > We’ve all got this theory that we’re not just meant to be confined to buildings and work. And [McCandless] was experiencing life. Real life. Social media and phones are not real life. I'm nitpicking, just think there are way healthier ex…

> given the amount of deliberate self-sabotage I never got the impression that it was deliberate self sabotage. I understood that he simply had over confidence going into the woods, and that he stayed a bit too long in an unfamiliar area and consequently couldn’t make his way back due to snowmelt flooding.

I loved film Into the Wild and read up on McCandless afterwards. If I remember correctly, he died within a day’s hike from a road but had he decided to bring a map with him, he would have known how to get to the road. I got the impression that he wanted to see how well he could survive on his own with the least amount of help from society. While I admire the spirit of the man and can sympathise with the romanticism of his endeavours, I would consider not bringing a map of the area or preparing adequately for life in the wilderness to be deliberate self-sabotage.

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Post by sequoia »

sequoia wrote: post #41

This is interesting but I can't help but notice how intensely performative these kids are as well, at least how they're characterized in this article. They're wearing Carhartt (an unusual choice for a metropolis like NYC), reading Dostoyevski and gathering to "listen to the wind." I will say most teens are like this and I certainly was myself, but I hope they are careful not to cultivate their own "artisan" brand of…

Having read the rest of TFA I think my initial reaction is not fair. What they said about kids not being able to put the phones down for a 1hr meeting was surprising to me and made clear how bad the issue is. More power to these kids and to heck with people calling them classist; what are they obligated to have iPhones for the sake of class solidarity or something? Sounds silly.

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Post by Anthony-G »

armenarmen wrote: post #261
floren wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ever hear of the Sam Vimes Boot Theory? Generally at least once a week on this very website. And on reddit. And on something awful.

Hahaha totally fair

For what it’s worth, I’d never heard of it until now – despite reading Hacker News for about nine years! Related: https://xkcd.com/1053/

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Post by mistercheph »

jacooper wrote: post #272

Its great that people are starting to wane off algorithmic money maximizing social media, but you can do this without switching to a flip phone. Just remove all social media and you will be set, even chat apps are OK, its really the rapid attention grabbing content that is the issue. Also the books and the weird connection to wanting to stop the industrial revolution is just r/im14andthisisdeep material > “I still lo…

Nothing more cringe than a young student reading great works of literature. What ever happened to hacking together an ecommerce side-hustle on the weekends? What has happened to our youth?

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Post by tablespoon »

sequoia wrote: post #41

This is interesting but I can't help but notice how intensely performative these kids are as well, at least how they're characterized in this article. They're wearing Carhartt (an unusual choice for a metropolis like NYC), reading Dostoyevski and gathering to "listen to the wind." I will say most teens are like this and I certainly was myself, but I hope they are careful not to cultivate their own "artisan" brand of…

> This is interesting but I can't help but notice how intensely performative these kids are as well, at least how they're characterized in this article. They're wearing Carhartt (an unusual choice for a metropolis like NYC), reading Dostoyevski and gathering to "listen to the wind." I will say most teens are like this and I certainly was myself, but I hope they are careful not to cultivate their own "artisan" brand of snobbishness (as I also did as a young punk).

Also, does the NYT Style section have a reputation of elevating some tiny little clique into a "trend" that goes nowhere because it's not a real trend, just a clique that got written about?

I'd love for something like this to be an actual trend (sans the snobbish performance), but I'm skeptical this anything at all.

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Post by Barrin92 »

HWR_14 wrote: post #145
Barrin92 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They are jealous of not being included. It's better to instill in kids early that it's important to cultivate deep rather than wide social connections. Teaching your kid to stand up for themselves and make friends that don't care about blue chat bubbles or fashionable clothes is necessary. Because there's always gonna be some group you're not going to be cool enough to be a part of. Maybe you're not pretty enough, a…

> Teaching your kid to stand up for themselves But they aren't standing up for themselves. They're standing up for decisions forced on them by their parents. > make friends that don't care about blue chat bubbles or fashionable clothes is necessary It has nothing to do with being cool (and I've never heard of anyone referencing blue chat bubbles that wasn't using it derogatorily like you are). It's about not being un…

>They're standing up for decisions forced on them by their parents

That is quite literally the point of being a parent. They're children. They're not supposed to be raised by other children or by social media personalities they want to be like, but by you.

If that means having to be the bad and unfun parent who they get mad at because they can't get to do the thing everyone else is doing that's the job. Good parents give children values that last a lifetime even if the kid doesn't understand it or like it.

The chat bubble thing is a reference to a surprisingly widespread clash between kids with iphones and kids with android phones (https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-apples-imessage-is-winning-...)

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Post by AussieWog93 »

mistercheph wrote: post #276
jacooper wrote: post #272

Its great that people are starting to wane off algorithmic money maximizing social media, but you can do this without switching to a flip phone. Just remove all social media and you will be set, even chat apps are OK, its really the rapid attention grabbing content that is the issue. Also the books and the weird connection to wanting to stop the industrial revolution is just r/im14andthisisdeep material > “I still lo…

Nothing more cringe than a young student reading great works of literature. What ever happened to hacking together an ecommerce side-hustle on the weekends? What has happened to our youth?

For what it's worth, I know maybe 5 or 6 kids that age, and two of them have literally hacked together an e-commerce side hustle over the weekend.

None of them have read Dostoyevsky and pretended to be deep.

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