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Re: John Carmack Leaves Meta

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"We have a ridiculous amount of people and resources, but we constantly self-sabotage and squander effort. There is no way to sugar coat this; I think out organization is operating at half the effectiveness that would make me happy. Some may scoff and contend we are doing just fine, but others will laugh and say "Half? Ha! I'm at quarter efficiency!"

This is true for any large organization, not necessarily Meta. Look at Google, Microsoft, Amazon and others.

Re: John Carmack Leaves Meta

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very interesting to me that he's giving up on VR entirely. If he thought it was just an issue with Facebook, presumably he'd jump in somewhere else and get the impact he was looking to have. That's another sign to me that VR is once again not going anywhere. Or rather, half of it isn't. Oculus-style VR is two best in one: 3D persistent virtual worlds and stereoscopic facehugger interfaces. The former has had gre…

I think it's less of a judgement about VR and more of a judgement about AI. If you believe AGI is within reach (as he does and I agree), working on literally anything else seems like a waste of time. It's impossible to overstate the impact it will have.

Wouldn't be surprised if SD, GPT-3, and other recent releases were what pushed him over the edge and prompted him to leave. He must have felt like he was watching a lot of cool things happen without him.

If I had another 30 IQ points I'd be climbing over walls and sneaking into buildings at night to work on this stuff.

Re: John Carmack Leaves Meta

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post #111

”It has been a struggle for me. I have a voice at the highest levels here, so it feels like I should be able to move things, but I'm evidently not persuasive enough. A good fraction of the things I complain about eventually turn my way after a year or two passes and evidence piles up, but I have never been able to kill stupid things before they cause damage, or set a direction and have a team actually stick to it. I…

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Re: John Carmack Leaves Meta

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post #111

”It has been a struggle for me. I have a voice at the highest levels here, so it feels like I should be able to move things, but I'm evidently not persuasive enough. A good fraction of the things I complain about eventually turn my way after a year or two passes and evidence piles up, but I have never been able to kill stupid things before they cause damage, or set a direction and have a team actually stick to it. I…

He might be considered by others as "boomer" that hasn't been relevant "since Quake III"

I wonder how many people don't value his opinion because (they assume) Carmack can't solve LeetCode as well as they can.

Re: John Carmack Leaves Meta

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post #72
post #4

He just founded a new company called Keen Technologies to work on AGI. Not surprising that he wants to focus on that now. He's been part-time at Meta for years. I'm interested to find out what kind of business model he's planning for an AGI company. Edit: he posted his leaving message publicly here: https://www.facebook.com/100006735798590/posts/pfbid0iPixEvP... Additional public comments on Twitter here: https://twi…

It's very interesting to me that he's giving up on VR entirely. If he thought it was just an issue with Facebook, presumably he'd jump in somewhere else and get the impact he was looking to have. That's another sign to me that VR is once again not going anywhere. Or rather, half of it isn't. Oculus-style VR is two best in one: 3D persistent virtual worlds and stereoscopic facehugger interfaces. The former has had gre…

>That's another sign to me that VR is once again not going anywhere

Maybe it's just a sign of how hot AI is right now.

Re: John Carmack Leaves Meta

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where is that quotation from? I don't see that in the linked article.

His internal badge (ie. goodbye) post. This is definitely not in the article. Edit: The article has a link to some other paywalled link that may contain the full contents of the note. I don't have a subscription so I can't tell but the quote is real at least.

He finally posted the full note himself. https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid0iPix...

Re: John Carmack Leaves Meta

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post #111

”It has been a struggle for me. I have a voice at the highest levels here, so it feels like I should be able to move things, but I'm evidently not persuasive enough. A good fraction of the things I complain about eventually turn my way after a year or two passes and evidence piles up, but I have never been able to kill stupid things before they cause damage, or set a direction and have a team actually stick to it. I…

Where are you quoting this from? A link would be nice, I don't see this in the article.

After some passages were published, he put up the full text: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid0iPix...

Re: John Carmack Leaves Meta

#308
post #7

Basically Carmack is frustrated by: 1. Rate of progress on AR/VR at meta 2. People within Meta not "Giving a Dam!" / Poor decisions made within the org 3. Poor quality of the execution which I guess is related to #2 Relevant quote: "It pains me to hear people say that they don't even get their headset out to show off at the company because they know it's going to be a mess of charging and updating before they can mak…

That’s the correct quote. The Quest Pro with its wireless charger actually largely solves this problem. Try not using an Android phone for a month, and then use it. It’s the same nightmare (after all the headsets are Android devices with internal batteries). It’s an important gripe, but it will be solved. I think there are more fundamental issues. It’s hard to explain, but even with superphysical level of improvement…

I manually update every few months. It's fine?

Re: John Carmack Leaves Meta

#309
post #75

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I wish Elon didn't get sucked into culture wars, because slimming down Twitter's workforce wasn't a bad idea I fantasized about someone buying Google and slimming it down too, because it used to be a great place to work (I worked there for over a decade). There were lots of great builders but they got drowned out by careerists In fact I worked in the SF office around "fail whale" times at Twitter (2009), and there wa…

I’m not sure we’ve ever seen a giant company successfully “slimming down” ? Sure, some go though catastrophic downfall and miraculously rebound from there, but that feels more like throwing someone down a mountain with a only a bottle of water and see if they can make it back to civiliation. The more natural cycle would be frustrated workers moving out to make their own company and build something better from there.…

> I’m not sure we’ve ever seen a giant company successfully “slimming down” ?

We have. That company is called Apple after SJ’s return.

Re: John Carmack Leaves Meta

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All the money in the world can't buy talent. If the talented people don't want to work for or with you, then you end up just burning through cash while the untalented/less talented deliver a subpar product.

This is false. A shit ton of money can buy a ton of talent. Not Carmack level talent though, he made Doom and Quake so he's already a multi-millionaire. You need a metric ton of money to buy out Carmack, which is exactly what they did. The problem with Meta is the same as the problem in any mega corporation at that scale -- warped incentives. The incentive to spend all your time politicking your way up the massive co…

This is tangential to your post but from the rumours I read Carmack is not the Rockefeller of tech you'd expect given the contributions and the impact he's made on the entire industry. While it's not plainly stated his fortune is believed to be far less than $100M. Likely less than $50M. Which is mind boggling to me given that Palmer Luckey walked away with something in the vicinity of a billion dollar windfall. It looks like Carmack always received the short end of the stick whenever he went to work for somebody else.
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