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The Twitter Files, Part Six

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Re: The Twitter Files, Part Six

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Post by jacquesm »

simpleblend wrote: post #172
Apocryphon wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is your definition of policing? If those FBI agents had been individual citizens who found misinformation and hit the report button, little different would have occurred. They got to cut the line, perhaps, but I doubt it would be much ahead of organizations like Microsoft, Stanford University, or the Archdiocese of Boston, to name some random bigwig organizations who could potentially complain to Twitter about s…

I have a really hard time believing Twitter would have reacted in similar way if an individual or company initiated the same takedowns

As the source of multiple such requests to Twitter I guarantee you that they would.

Re: The Twitter Files, Part Six

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Post by jacquesm »

RosanaAnaDana wrote: post #119
weaksauce wrote: post #69

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This is what you could say a classic goal post moving comment from the initial position of "it's only ok because it helped you"(which in and of itself is projection and also pointedly false) to "that doesn't matter they were censoring" (which again is false since they asked for the content team to review it.)

There's enough nothing-burger in this thread to start a nothing-franchise.

A whole chain of them.

Re: The Twitter Files, Part Six

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Post by Apocryphon »

kodyo wrote: post #192
_kbh_ wrote: post #64

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So the Trump administration then? because we haven't seen anything to indicate that the Biden administration has asked for things to be censored, only that the Trump administration made requests whilst he was still in power.

Are you under the impression that the FBI was acting on behalf of Trump during his presidency?

He was the commander in chief. Who do you believe the FBI is acting on behalf of if not his handpicked successor to Comey?

Re: The Twitter Files, Part Six

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Post by Jarwain »

jrjrndndnd wrote: post #17
paulpauper wrote: post #7

3. Twitter’s contact with the FBI was constant and pervasive, as if it were a subsidiary. 4. Between January 2020 and November 2022, there were over 150 emails between the FBI and former Twitter Trust and Safety chief Yoel Roth. How is this constant? This is just 1 request every 7 days . I figured it would be more. Also, it's called the FBI. Their job is to investigate federal matters, which includes content on socia…

They were coordinating with Yoel Roth to police content. It's absurd that this news is being dismissed people don't like Twitter's new chief .

Specifically policing misinformation around elections?

Re: The Twitter Files, Part Six

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Post by hackerlight »

leoh wrote: post #53

Learned basically nothing here. So the FBI helped Twitter with content moderation? Who gives a crap.

It's bad that it wasn't transparent to the public. I don't like the idea of the government actively playing a role in moderating content that isn't illegal unless it's transparent and there's oversight by voters.

Twitter as a private company can moderate content as it sees fit. But the government is supposed to be constrained by the First Amendment. And here, they technically are, because they're not forcing Twitter to take action. But there's always the background threat of regulation if Twitter doesn't play nice, so it's not as black and white as this.

Re: The Twitter Files, Part Six

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Post by mikeyouse »

kodyo wrote: post #160
sleepybrett wrote: post #111

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they were leaked BY FUCKING HACKERS (specifically 'fancy bear')

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Those who say they were leaked with absolutely no evidence: Trump Campaign, Wikileaks

Those who say they were hacked and who have provided evidence of such: FBI, CIA, NSA Crowdstrike, Mandiant, Secureworks, Mueller Report, Republican Senate Report, Democratic Senate Report, Dutch Security Services, UK Security Services, the Russians themselves, Donald Trump himself.

Your inability to be persuaded isn’t an asset here. Seriously, read the Muller report and Crowdstrikes attribution. It’s persuasive beyond a reasonable doubt if you’re moderately technical.

Re: The Twitter Files, Part Six

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Post by simpleblend »

pcwalton wrote: post #200
simpleblend wrote: post #67

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If you run a social media company and the government tells you, "Hey, we want these people banned", and you ban them, is the company "voluntarily" choosing to ban them? Or are they doing it under duress? Of course it's the latter. The US gov. has been threatening to take down social media companies for years. Do you think Twitter really wanted to upset them now?

> If you run a social media company and the government tells you, "Hey, we want these people banned", and you ban them, is the company "voluntarily" choosing to ban them? Yes? When the CDC says "we recommend you get vaccinated against the flu", and you get vaccinated, you're acting voluntarily, despite the government recommendation.

So, did you just not read the rest of my comment?

Re: The Twitter Files, Part Six

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Post by Apocryphon »

colordrops wrote: post #169
goodmunky wrote: post #161

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I think it's against HN rules to call people shills, but I am too flabbergasted at people acting like it's no big deal that the FBI is working in secret to shut down narratives.

It is neither leftist nor shill to avoid distractions from real scandals like PRISM or Epstein. As Orwell said in 1984, his science fiction novel about big government, “If you kept the small rules, you could break the big ones.” The nitpickers in this thread stress out about content moderation when the FBI is getting away with the big stuff like failing to stop SBF or shutting down the Z-Library.

That’s a case where Google and Amazon aided the FBI, too!

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33646513

Re: The Twitter Files, Part Six

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Post by 29athrowaway »

mercyandgrace wrote: post #39
paulpauper wrote: post #7

3. Twitter’s contact with the FBI was constant and pervasive, as if it were a subsidiary. 4. Between January 2020 and November 2022, there were over 150 emails between the FBI and former Twitter Trust and Safety chief Yoel Roth. How is this constant? This is just 1 request every 7 days . I figured it would be more. Also, it's called the FBI. Their job is to investigate federal matters, which includes content on socia…

Twitter Yoel Roth. It's clear from the emails attached in the link that there were other people within Twitter being contacted.

The Twitter files are not only about that dude.
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