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The Twitter Files, Part Six

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Oh please. Link to where Twitter banned someone for being right wing. Hate speech doesn't count.

It's very convenient that one side of the asile is always in a position to define what hate speech is. Neat trick, but it doesn't work anymore.

You have to give credit to whomever came up with it, its a cheap but effective linguistic kill shot. No doubt it was engineered to be divisive, and whomever is wielding it is unlikely to be reasoned with.

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The corporation and the state partnering to censor speech.

...did we read the same thing? This is sinister music played over a video of someone doing the dishes. "Between January 2020 and November 2022, there were over 150 emails between the FBI and former Twitter Trust and Safety chief Yoel Roth." 150 emails in 2 years is a partnership? All the provided examples are actual misinformation and low effort nonsense and at no point was twitter forced to do anything. This is lite…

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Once per week for three years is not constant to you? Weird.

It seems really tiny to me. With something like 30 million Americans on Twitter, the FBI only sent about one email a week to the person in charge of safety for that “town square.” It’s still very interesting data. Now I want to know how this compares to the other big tech companies.

https://transparency.fb.com/data/government-data-requests/

https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/

https://transparency.twitter.com/

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Learned basically nothing here. So the FBI helped Twitter with content moderation? Who gives a crap.

“But a surprisingly high number are requests by the FBI for Twitter to take action on election misinformation, even involving joke tweets from low-follower accounts.”

First amendment? What is that?

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Yes. Because 'legal' and 'damaging to society' are different bars and both the FBI and Twitter probably felt that cooperating on that front was better than to let things get out of hand. The alternative may well have been a dead VP, or worse, so be happy that these channels exist(ed). With that whole department axed we are now in much more dangerous territory. That said I'm pretty sure that Elon Musk knows which side…

It's not in the FBI's charter to "fix society" outside of the bounds of law. It's mind boggling to me that people are acting nonchalant about a government entity shaping public discourse in secret.

If - for instance - Mike Pence had been murdered (and I believe there was a real possibility that that could have happened) I'm pretty sure that you'd be playing an entirely different tune. The FBI is free to interpret the law and you are free to take them to court if you don't agree with their interpretation. This does not normally need to be spelled out.

Next time you receive a request from the police that you think is reasonable try stonewalling them and see what happens. I guarantee you won't like it.

And as far as the secrecy is concerned: records were kept, that's why you are reading about this.

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Aside from people in tech and the MAGA crowd, does anyone actually care about the "Twitter Files" stuff?

I care. And I don’t care about most of the reasonings here, like: * It is not new, so I don’t care * Elon is conservative, so I don’t care * It is not true, or at least conflicts with my beliefs, so I don’t care * twitter is evil, so I don’t care * …

Then why?

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This is actually an argument for why Twitter shouldn't exist. Twitter makes it super easy to do mass warrantless surveillance, because Twitter gathers millions of people together in the same searchable public space. It's a honeypot. What's dangerous about the "public square" concept is that Musk doesn't just want a public square — one public space among many, one among equals — he wants the public square, a monopoly…

This goes for any large web property where people congregate to communicate. HN is no different in that respect.

yes and the day when they all go away will be a good day

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When people become a sworn officer of the FBI or any other federal LEO officer, they take an oath to protect and defend the US Constitution. When instead of upholding the Constitution, they ask a private company to violate people's first ammendment rights, that is an abuse of power. It may be within Twitters terms of service to ban people and censor people, and that may be fine for Twitter, but for a sworn officer to…

Not a violation of free speech to tell Twitter to take down illegal content.

Twitter took stuff down at the government's request even though they couldn't find a violation of their own ToS, let alone determine that things were illegal.
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