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‘Luddite’ Teens

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Re: ‘Luddite’ Teens

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How is it engage or die?

Imagine, for example, applying for a job with no social media presence. OK, maybe “engage or die” is not the right phrase, but you get the gist of what I’m saying.

That's a bit of a stretch. They have phones (some of them still have smart phones - the article mentioned them putting away their iphones when they met). I think a phone is as much as you need to get by in the world and get a job

Re: ‘Luddite’ Teens

#182

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How is it engage or die?

Imagine, for example, applying for a job with no social media presence. OK, maybe “engage or die” is not the right phrase, but you get the gist of what I’m saying.

if what you are saying is that any deviation from the norm incurs a cost to your life, I agree. Some people are already abnormal so they can't pay that cost, but others can't pay simply because of some of the other choices they have made. I personally wouldn't call the latter a lack of privilege

Re: ‘Luddite’ Teens

#183

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How is it engage or die?

Imagine, for example, applying for a job with no social media presence. OK, maybe “engage or die” is not the right phrase, but you get the gist of what I’m saying.

I've never had a job that requires or has even asked about social media. You don't need a smartphone to keep a LinkedIn account or Instagram. You can simply log in when you're at home on a desktop or laptop.

Re: ‘Luddite’ Teens

#184

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Imagine, for example, applying for a job with no social media presence. OK, maybe “engage or die” is not the right phrase, but you get the gist of what I’m saying.

if what you are saying is that any deviation from the norm incurs a cost to your life, I agree. Some people are already abnormal so they can't pay that cost, but others can't pay simply because of some of the other choices they have made. I personally wouldn't call the latter a lack of privilege

Maybe. I’d have to think about it some more to formulate a more solid opinion. Thanks for the criticism!

Re: ‘Luddite’ Teens

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This is interesting but I can't help but notice how intensely performative these kids are as well, at least how they're characterized in this article. They're wearing Carhartt (an unusual choice for a metropolis like NYC), reading Dostoyevski and gathering to "listen to the wind." I will say most teens are like this and I certainly was myself, but I hope they are careful not to cultivate their own "artisan" brand of…

Anyone who thinks reading Dostoyevski is an acomplishment must be borderline illiterate*. None of his works are a hard read. Dostoyevski is the acomplishment, not the reader. Almost all fiction is a passive medium, the "work" has already been done by the auhtor. Tens (hundreds?) of millions of copies have been sold, and his works are required reading in many high schools. >I am glad to see "the kids" continuing to qu…

Not disagreeing, but I just want to point out Pynchon and Foster-Wallace as authors that require effort on behalf of the reader.

Admittedly, the reader effort is still ridiculously far below that of the author.

Quoting Fry: "It took an hour to write, I thought it would take an hour to read"

Re: ‘Luddite’ Teens

#186

This is a unique form of privilege. Most people don’t have the choice to “disconnect”. It’s engage or die. Not that I think technology is the be all and end all, but I think we are lucky if we are in the position to be able to shun it. That’s all I am saying. Edit: OK, I am probably wrong about this. Sorry for the stupid opinion :(

did you read the article? the kids mention that critique

Re: ‘Luddite’ Teens

#187
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it's the 2022 version of "kill your television" and i love it. in practice: i wonder how practical it is to survive as an adult without a smartphone. uber has decimated cabs and i don't think you can telephone for an uber. i wonder what else is unreachable/unworkable/etc...

I don't carry a cellphone. The rates are atrocious in Canada, and I don't like being rung when I'm out and about. The biggest problem is 2-factor. Many services are starting to require it, which has led me to losing access to various accounts. Looking at you, Paypal. Otherwise, it's fine. I make a paper shopping list. I schedule meetings in advance, and show up at the expected time. Uber isn't even in my city so ther…

In the UK, you can get texts sent to landline numbers. Not sure if it's carrier-dependent, but my Mum would occasionally get texts sent to her landline. She'd get a call saying that she'd received a text and the text was read to her by a computer. Perhaps that might work in Canada?

Re: ‘Luddite’ Teens

#188

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How is it engage or die?

Imagine, for example, applying for a job with no social media presence. OK, maybe “engage or die” is not the right phrase, but you get the gist of what I’m saying.

how would a social media presence help anyone in a job application?

Re: ‘Luddite’ Teens

#189

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How is wholesale rejection of the shitty companies and websites that prey on your attention span to sell adverts in favour of good literature and genuine connection a “fad”? I’ve deleted social media from my phone and it’s been…amazing. I don’t know what to do and end up staring into space instead of giving into my cravings for fresh content. You start to pay attention to your surroundings and think. It’s wonderful.

Boredom is crucial. Boredom creates will. Your body hates boredom, because traditionally, it meant you weren't doing anything to better your life. Today, we won't die if we're not filling our boredom with farming/hunting our meals by hand. It's too easy to live nowadays. Now, we plug that hole with social media and entertainment. Rather than adapting that caveman survival instinct to something else: improving knowled…

You are mistaken. Hunter-gatherers, and even medieval farmers, worked less hours on average than we do today.

Re: ‘Luddite’ Teens

#190
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This is interesting but I can't help but notice how intensely performative these kids are as well, at least how they're characterized in this article. They're wearing Carhartt (an unusual choice for a metropolis like NYC), reading Dostoyevski and gathering to "listen to the wind." I will say most teens are like this and I certainly was myself, but I hope they are careful not to cultivate their own "artisan" brand of…

> They're wearing Carhartt (an unusual choice for a metropolis like NYC), reading Dostoyevski and gathering to "listen to the wind." I don't know, to me it all seemed exceedingly genuine. If they're spending lots of time outside in parks—"rain or shine, even snow"—their clothing choices make sense. They like reading, and their reading material has made an impression (as good books are wont to do, especially for impre…

It's worth noting that Carhartt is currently hot as a fashion brand. Yes, really.
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