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Doors of McMurdo

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Re: Doors of McMurdo

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I believe all cities people love to visit were built organically by huge numbers if individual actors doing what they thought best with their part of it. Or are there any preplanned great cities I'm not aware of?

Barcelona gets a lot of love despite most of it being a very regular grid of city blocks.

Eixample is alright, and supposedly a decent place to live, but the main touristy part of Barcelona is the old town, Barri Gòtic, which is a typical chaotic maze of streets. Eixample receives a lot of visitors too, of course, but not so much, I think, because it's very charming in itself, but because it makes up a large part of the inner city and thus contains a lot of tourist attractions (including Sagrada Familia and other buildings by Gaudí) and shopping streets.

Also, once you go beyond Eixample (except to the east) the city's not a regular grid anymore. In the end, Eixample and other, newer neighbourhoods built on a grid probably represent a (substantial, of course) minority of the city.

Re: Doors of McMurdo

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This is not a master-planned community. Rather, it is a series of organic responses to evolving operational needs. over time i have become more and more convinced that this state of affairs is _better_.

I think of long-established cities. You may have buildings of several different eras sitting next to one another, each with different ideas of electricity, water and sewage, connected to standard interfaces and coexisting.

Re: Doors of McMurdo

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Of course, I wanted to know what "FSTP Snow School" was, but garbage blogspam gives first-search-results like this: https://mapcarta.com/N8759058406

I can help! I went through it 7 times. FSTP, prounounced "F-stop" like the camera setting, was the "field safety training program" and basically it refers to the group of mountaineers that the US Antarctic Program's contractor hires to live in Antarctica and help out with fieldwork. It also refers to the classes that they teach in McMurdo. Basic FSTP "snow school" used to be required for everyone at McMurdo, and for…

Huh, thanks! That sounds really fun.

Re: Doors of McMurdo

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This is not a master-planned community. Rather, it is a series of organic responses to evolving operational needs. over time i have become more and more convinced that this state of affairs is _better_.

I was thinking about this playing Cities Skylines today. I feel like I hate "master-planning" things when I start the game, but then my cities end up being chaos and needing lots of demolishing to fix broken stuff. I might just be bad at Cities Skylines.

Unavoidable consequence of Cities Skylines almost forcing car-centric infrastructure :)

Re: Doors of McMurdo

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You're thinking of South Pole Station. That's mostly one large building for a few dozen people, and very photogenic for snowbound isolation, so it's usually the picture used for Antarctica articles. (McMurdo is not at the south pole, it's on the coast near New Zealand.) (Edit since I keep getting nitpicked - near in relative terms, it's at NZ's longitude and closer to NZ than to anywhere else.)

Near? It's 99 miles! https://distcalculator.com/distance-between/106093/New-Zeala... "If average speed of your car will be standard for this route between New Zealand and McMurdo, Antarctica and road conditions will be as usual, time that you will need to arrive to McMurdo, Antarctica will be 1 hour."

McMurdo is 2385 miles from Christchurch NZ, where support flights originate[0]. Flying from the south coast of NZ at Invercargill saves 208 miles[1]. It's 3222 miles to the South Pole[2].

[0] http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=CHC-NZIR [1] http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=NZNV-NZIR [2] http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=CHC-NZSP

Re: Doors of McMurdo

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Don’t live there anymore but it’s basically why I actually liked no zoning in Houston

If you're affluent enough to mitigate the negative effects of no zoning, sure -- i.e., able to afford different housing if needed. If you lack that financial security, you may be stuck next to all sorts of undesirable properties, like a busy 24-hour shopping center. I saw that sort of thing frequently in Texas. Of course, poor people get less desirable properties even in cities with zoning. But zoning does discourage…

Zoning does that too. Usually MF is designed as a buffer between commercial and single family (as proxy for more/less affluence). Without zoning, it just happens more naturally because the commercial is going to usually want to be on a major road, then land next to busy commercial is not desirable for single family housing so a MF developer will build there.

The part I liked about it was the city was able to adapt to change. I saw the inner-loop part of Houston as a hellscape as a kid. Then ~2000s when inner-city gentrification began, it went quick. Neighborhoods tend to support more local business than the big box strip centers that proliferate in the master planned world. Also, master plans are just copy&pasted every couple of miles so it all just looks the same[0]. I liked having neighborhood restaurants and other quirky stuff inside an old house in the neighborhood, you actually knew the owner and it facilitated a sense of community. It's rarely ever actually in the neighborhood, just on a main thoroughfare that pretty much is high traffic regardless of the business use. I see living on a high traffic road not very different than living next to a busy shopping center.

The other thing I've noticed now that I live in Dallas (which is pretty similar to Houston except with zoning). I frequently see an undeveloped parcel of land and I think, "wow a X shop would do well in this location." I look up zoning and it's not allowed. What is allowed, IMO, wouldn't do well in that location. That's why it's still undeveloped land. Some map drawn 50+ years ago probably made some bad assumptions. Typically the neighbors will fight any zoning change because they actually like that nice undeveloped lot next door. Developers with bigger pockets pay the neighbors off so they don't fight the zoning change.

Hard to explain, but Dallas is known for 'lack of culture' and having lived in other Texas cities prior (Houston and Austin) I think it's largely due to with how it was designed. It's difficult to build anything unique or artistic here. Until it was banned a couple years ago, many of the city's in the metroplex building code would mandate exactly what brand and color of brick you could use. So we have entire small cities in the metroplex that are red brick (it was a trend in the 90s when that area was being swallowed by sprawl, and it's exactly what's off trend the last decade+) Actually, most cities still mandate it and if you're a developer you'd have to file a lawsuit to get your non-conforming design permitted (you'd win because State of Texas banned this a few years ago, but many municipalities have conveniently not updated their building codes).

Which segues to this;

> If you lack that financial security, you may be stuck next to all sorts of undesirable properties

But at least your in the mix of the city and somewhat able to interact and have social mobility, access to the core business districts and jobs that service the higher income citizens. In Dallas, the economic core/center of gravity is moving north towards Plano and those lacking financial security get pushed further and further south (usually). This essentially is a ghetto, food desert, high crime yet over policed, etc and provides little access to social mobility. It also reinforces a lot of the race issues that exist in our country. Dallas is very segregated compared to Houston.

[0] Most of Houston is very guilty of this, most of it also has defacto zoning by another name. I forget what it is, ordinances on noise and traffic impact or something. The inner loop area is pretty organic and sense it's well developed, you pretty much know who your neighbor is going to be. If you buy a house next to an undeveloped lot, you're rolling the dice, but there's likely not any lots big enough to build an oil refinery or a shopping mall or whatever. If you're in a residential area, it's likely a small lot and will eventually be built as residential.

Re: Doors of McMurdo

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The threat is not from strangers, but from fully vetted and trusted community members having some kind of psychological event that leads them to bad actions. The various entities working at McMurdo do pretty thorough pre-deployment psych evals to try to catch the kinds of people who would break vital equipment (think furnaces, or water-treatment equipment or high-cost/one-of-a-kind research equipment) or equipment ne…

They don’t do psych assessments anymore I believe

My information is about 10 years old, so that makes sense. It also makes sense that such evals are of limited utility, as the people I know who worked down on the ice were ... difficult personalities to get along with.

Re: Doors of McMurdo

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Sadly the bars no longer serve liquor, due to incidents.

Citation needed. My counter evidence is from 2022: https://drunkard.com/08-04- southpole/

Citation: I have actually drank at the bars in McMurdo.

Your link is Pole, not McMurdo. It sounds like that is people bringing their own, or buying from USAP for the field, which is allowed. It may have changed, but when I was there, McMurdo bars only served beer and wine.

Re: Doors of McMurdo

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Sadly the bars no longer serve liquor, due to incidents.

mcm has two bars, they both absolutely serve liquor. source: me, a current bartender here in mcmurdo.

Ok, I guess it changed since I was there a few years ago. You're doing God's work. I hope people are tipping well.

Re: Doors of McMurdo

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I think this is called ‘happy camper’ and there is a light version where you just learn basics so you can go travel off station.

Right. So when I first went (2010-11), everybody going to mcmurdo had to sleep out on sea ice one night (and it was called "happy camper" or "snow school"). They gradually scaled back the program; added lesser versions and made it so your group had to request it. Maybe meanings of "snow school" and "happy camper" diverged at some point.

Correction: I just checked and my first trip was actually 2009-10
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