But it requires some degree of technical expertise on the ground to weave together solutions, instead of just buying the Microsoft package with AD and Office.
BundesMessenger, a secure messenger for Germany’s public administration
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Re: BundesMessenger, a secure messenger for Germany’s public administration
#52I really like the idea. But I am skeptic - digitalisation of Germany's public services and offices in the past hasn't exactly been a success story.
It hasn’t but it’s on the right track. I am working as a developer in one of the federal agencies and have direct contact with the efforts. It helps a lot that public agencies can now offer a so called IT Zulage of a few hundred euros to 1000 per months that brings salaries on par with the private sector. In my team, this worked wonders and we managed to get some really good people. On the other hand, the task is eno…
Meanwhile, other countries have offered a web portal for years with a digital version of the Patsientenakte and all prescriptions in one place. Works. Not in Germany though.
> On the other hand, the task is enormous, we were discussing last week that if we had double the man power, we would still have the same workload, because we push back on a lot of things. We have about 70 projects that we wrote and maintain and a backlog of another 12 waiting to be started.
I rest my case.
Re: BundesMessenger, a secure messenger for Germany’s public administration
#53Makes me happy to read that. One of the bright lights on horizon is that the Bundeswehr opted for a open-source, federated, multi-platform and secure messaging framework. Instead of some proprietary, closed-source piece of crap from a Big-IT vendor which make same depending in a negative way.
This was possible only because Ursula vdL is not in charge of Bundeswehr any more. That being said, god save the EU, since these walking tax-money black hole is now leading the whole EU.
Re: BundesMessenger, a secure messenger for Germany’s public administration
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can use the "Online-Personalausweis" for quite some things actually. For example to authenticate at banks, so you don't have to do Video-Ident. Or to do taxes etc. I wrote a post about it earlier this year: https://b.jlel.se/s/59c
I don't speak german, but by video identification do you mean the system in which you turn in the webcam and it checks your face? If so, that is highly vulnerable to real time face swapping attacks (and possibly just recorded webcam footage). I'm sure you're aware, but these systems need to change.
They offer plenty of ways to actually authenticate. The classic one is that you receive a voucher, go to a post shop, the employee there checks your ID and prints you a verification code (iirc). They also added video calls for identification and from my experience, it seems as if they are aware of the potential security implications. They ask you a bunch of questions and require you to do different things (for example hold your ID card right in front of your face, cover one side of your face, etc) presumably to counter this attack vector.
The smoothest way is to use the ID card integration. With that, assuming your ID is already set up for the online authentication, the whole kyc process for a new bank account is done within two minutes. Unfortunately it seems like some banks still disable this option, at least I did recently open an account and did not have this option for use with postident.
Re: BundesMessenger, a secure messenger for Germany’s public administration
#55Germany was quite advanced when it came to technology but then the drive to make more of it somehow stopped. It has always been incredibly sad to me that the German ID card (Personalausweis) has an RFID chip inside with trust zones, certificates, authorization features, and much more and just never had been used. Like at all except for getting cigarettes at vending machines. 12 years after the first RFID Personalausw…
Re: BundesMessenger, a secure messenger for Germany’s public administration
#56The basic problem with messaging and voice/video comm applications is that clients are not interoperable. It is easy to think that: we've had CUSeeMe, IRC, ICU, AOL Instant Messenger, Tivejo, MSN Messenger, I think more than 10 kinds of Google Chat, Facebook Messenger, Skype, Zoom, Paltalk, Yahoo Messenger, Signal, Telegram, Go2Meeting, Discord, WhatsApp, WeChat, etc.
The average person would be hard pressed to tell the difference between these applications, a cynic would say "Facebook Messenger is no different from AOL Instance|MSN|Yahoo messenger except it is integrated with Facebook". The average person doesn't question that chat programs don't interoperate but because they don't we see a pattern of "try out the new shiny, it's just as good as the old cruddy was back in the day", the new application rides high for a while, then it rots and it is it the new old cruddy before long. The one constant is that you may need to install 10 chat applications to talk to everybody you talk to.
As it is, two-sided markets let applications coast and generally rot without losing market share until things get catastrophically bad. If chat applications interoperated there would be a robust market for better applications and better servers and you'd see developers of old apps to have a reason to keep them working over time and more chances for new apps to get established.
Re: BundesMessenger, a secure messenger for Germany’s public administration
#57This is interesting. Being German, when I read the headline I had a "not another public IT project destined to fail" moment. But this actually makes sense. The government and military need a secure communication tool, it is not a pie in the sky, but built on existing software, and they start with a well defined user base. My guts feeling is that this will be a successful project.
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#58Re: BundesMessenger, a secure messenger for Germany’s public administration
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
It hasn’t but it’s on the right track. I am working as a developer in one of the federal agencies and have direct contact with the efforts. It helps a lot that public agencies can now offer a so called IT Zulage of a few hundred euros to 1000 per months that brings salaries on par with the private sector. In my team, this worked wonders and we managed to get some really good people. On the other hand, the task is eno…
why can't you hire consultants to do take on some of the work?
I'd also guess that these projects are not very isolated but very integrated with a lot of other processes and internal projects, so it's not just about converting some specs into code in a vacuum and then leaving again.
Re: BundesMessenger, a secure messenger for Germany’s public administration
#60Germany was quite advanced when it came to technology but then the drive to make more of it somehow stopped. It has always been incredibly sad to me that the German ID card (Personalausweis) has an RFID chip inside with trust zones, certificates, authorization features, and much more and just never had been used. Like at all except for getting cigarettes at vending machines. 12 years after the first RFID Personalausw…