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Post by spiderice »

ectopod wrote: post #491
albrewer wrote: post #480

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For some people (like me), re-teaching muscle memory is a huge battle that takes years. Switching to an editor where you can't use the mouse as a crutch until you learn it is a non-starter.

vim has both terminal and gui builds. The latter supports the mouse.

I use vim as my daily driver. Just want to make it clear to people that even vim with mouse support is not going to be a drop in replacement for vscode/atom/sublime. You're still going to have a hare time being productive in it for a good while until you learn the keybinds and train your muscle-memory

Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by throwntoday »

szastamasta wrote: post #355
throwntoday wrote: post #344

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It's unfortunate because all I want is a notepad with syntax highlighting and Atom with most packages disabled offered that. I don't need code complete, or a terminal, or extensions, or anything else VScode offers. I suppose now is a good time to write my own notepad :/

I think you should get just that with Notepad++ on Windows or TextWrangler (BBedit) on Mac. On Linux I think that all stock editors have it (GEdit, etc…). All that for free and without Electron madness. You should be much better with any of them.

TextWrangler was my goto before Atom and I do prefer the look of the latter.

Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by prmoustache »

fragmede wrote: post #250
unsafecast wrote: post #239

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I have never, in my life, used an electron program that isn't irritatingly slow on my main computer. Yes, it's not something you'd probably call a fast computer (4th gen i3, 4GB ram), but this same computer doesn't drop a frame in equivalent native programs. Most of the time the CPU is almost idle. I have nothing intrinsic against electron, and I'll take everything back if I see these "natural fits" actually fit.

It sounds like your 8 year old computer can't keep with today's technology. If it's possible, might I suggest upgrading your computer? A more modern system would let you run Electron apps without being irritatingly slow. It seems silly that I had to upgrade my laptop in order to run a text editor, but it seems that's just the world we live in.

Typical first world answer.

Most people in this world would rather spend the required 400usd needed to get a >=8GB computer on fixing their vehicule/home and pay their monthly bills.

This +environment damage limitations.

Apart from the software and system engineers I don't know a single person in my social circle that own a computer with more than 4GB of memory. And I am not living in a third world country.

Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by drschwabe »

pizza234 wrote: post #465
heather45879 wrote: post #411

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Honestly I’m not a fan of VSCode as a user. It’s too generic and lacks identity (too powerful to edit simple configs); it auto-updates every time I start it; it’s too complicated to configure; JSON is ugly and it’s 2022, why not favor GUI configurations? If my goal is to program in language X then I should be able to grab a product and get started without fuss. VSCode is a whole lot of fussing about. That being said,…

These seems impression by somebody who's not a VSC user at all. Specifically: > it’s 2022, why not favor GUI configurations? VSC provides, at all the (four) levels, both GUI and text-based configuration editing. > JSON is ugly You can't get any simpler than JSON. The VSC designers have actually been admirably pragmatic, and opted for JSON5-ish, which supports comments and terminal commas (in arrays). > too powerful t…

> You can't get any simpler than JSON.

Actually a plain text file containing a JavaScript object is simpler and prettier than JSON.

Not universal across languages though I suppose.

Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by lopkeny12ko »

p-e-w wrote: post #7

Sad to see this go. I was an early adopter of Atom, and I wrote two extensions for it, one of which while it was still in beta. The Atom developers made some technology choices that in retrospect were ill-advised, CoffeeScript being the worst of them and splitting everything into dozens of packages a close second. They tried to backpedal on both of these later on, but by that time VSCode, with its far superior engine…

I guess I'm old school, but I'm genuinely surprised by how Microsoft drove such widespread adoption of Visual Studio which, as I remember, was an expensive, basically enterprise-only IDE for very Microsoft-specific proprietary technologies like C# and .NET.

Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by bananapub »

lopkeny12ko wrote: post #525
p-e-w wrote: post #7

Sad to see this go. I was an early adopter of Atom, and I wrote two extensions for it, one of which while it was still in beta. The Atom developers made some technology choices that in retrospect were ill-advised, CoffeeScript being the worst of them and splitting everything into dozens of packages a close second. They tried to backpedal on both of these later on, but by that time VSCode, with its far superior engine…

I guess I'm old school, but I'm genuinely surprised by how Microsoft drove such widespread adoption of Visual Studio which, as I remember, was an expensive, basically enterprise-only IDE for very Microsoft-specific proprietary technologies like C# and .NET.

eh? VS Code is unrelated to Visual Studio except by the name.

Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by Maelcum »

p-e-w wrote: post #75
esprehn wrote: post #32

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Atom predated the LSP and leaned heavily into customizations with all the plugins running inside the UI thread (more like a traditional web page and 3p scripts). At the time they viewed the extreme customization support as a feature, and there was a thriving ecosystem of folks making plugins. That architecture has a major flaw though. A default install was fast, but a real configuration with all the plugins ended up…

VSCode is one of the greatest pieces of engineering of our time. It's really only when you compare it with Atom that you realize how great it is. Atom was built by incredibly smart people, who had full control over the platform and several years of head start, and they were still out-engineered by the VSCode team at every turn. VSCode did almost everything right: The choice of TypeScript as the base language (with wh…

That's an overstatement of the century.

Even if it would be running natively, the statement'd be still highly debatable.

But it's Electron based and using TypeScript, which means it uses a lot more electricity than a native solution would (about 20 times [1]), wasting precious resources. Now consider the fact that this is a product of a company that states "to ensure that technology is inclusive, trusted, and increases sustainability."

The only amazing thing here is the level of hypocrisy, IMHO.

[1] https://thenewstack.io/which-programming-languages-use-the-l...

Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by eyelidlessness »

IshKebab wrote: post #163
eyelidlessness wrote: post #125

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Sorry but the very good Electron app which actually is very good, VSCode, really does suck if you maintain 10 projects. That’s not a lot of projects. It’s just a lot of browser tabs multiplied by documentation in an actual browser.

I agree you have to keep the number of VSCode windows quite low (5 is ok, 10 will make it struggle) but in fairness how many times have you had 10 instances of Visual Studio or IntelliJ running? I've never got close to that.

Pretty much all the time!

- Four that I maintain directly which integrate together, so even if I’m only working on one at a time I often have to cross reference. This is a good candidate for a workspace, but lots of my workflow broke when I tried it. It’s entirely possible that’s solvable but I had more pressing work to do.

- Two related projects which I seldom contribute to directly, but integrate with the prior four, and I cross reference frequently as well.

- One for organizing and tracking work, notes, various work-related detritus.

- Generally my top three personal projects. I’m not working on them nearly as frequently, but they too are useful for cross referencing. And with seven windows already open, it’s slower to open and close them on demand than to just leave them up.

Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by sgtnoodle »

prox wrote: post #249
sgtnoodle wrote: post #182

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I tried Atom for a while in Windows, but a file watching bug made it quite inconvenient. Every time I edited and saved a file in another IDE (at the time, I was stuck using it to compile and debug an embedded system), that IDE would rename the original to a temporary file in a temporary directory before writing the new version. Atom would follow the rename rather than re-load the new file at the original path. It wou…

What editor did you go for after that? I still use Atom (I don’t need an IDE that much)

I've been using vscode lately. It mostly just works without getting in the way. Although if you work with python, one of the extensions seems prone to glitching out and spinning a CPU core. They're at least responsive to issue tickets.

Sublime text seems to be a good paid option.

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