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Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by skinnymuch »

slibhb wrote: post #902
nabla9 wrote: post #900

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of HN completely miss the intent of conventional doxxing rules and widely accepted privacy laws in most countries. - Public figures, like politicians, top businessmen, and so on don't get the same amount of privacy and protection as regular Joe. You can follow them and track them. If you have power and influence, you don't enjoy the same privacy protections as others. That's a really good principle to have. - El…

It's funny how this debate has shifted. Now that Elon owns twitter, it's Elon haters bringing up the law whereas before they were talking about how twitter can do what they want as a private company. For my money, there's absolutely nothing wrong with twitter disallowing "person trackers". Legality aside, whether it's Elon Musk or Nancy Pelosi, the subtext of these trackers is creepy and threatening and banning them…

Twitter and Elon don’t care about “person trackers”. Elon cares about personally not being tracked. You think if someone launches a Chuck Schumer tracker that Elon is going to care about Twitter banning it? He will probably want it to stay up to troll the moderates while pretending they are on the left.

> before they were talking about how twitter can do what they want as a private company.

Who are this group of “Elon haters” who are being so inconsistent? Sure a lot of Democrats are in the hands of capital and are complete moderates. Same with many Republicans. Most people are on the side of capital the majority of the time. To blanket group everyone who is against current Twitter as Elon haters in one block is weird. Do you think leftists who despise Elon were sitting around saying they want Twitter to do whatever they want? Even progressives have been consistently against big business power. Twitter is a big business.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by finnthehuman »

calculatte wrote: post #671
barbariangrunge wrote: post #296

> Update: Musk just weighed in on the suspensions, characterizing them as intentional. “Same doxxing rules apply to “journalists” as to everyone else,” he tweeted in a reply. > It’s worth noting that the policy these accounts violated, a prohibition against sharing “live location information,” is only 24 hours old. It seems like a good rule, but in this case the application of the rule seems less impersonal than it c…

What is everyone up in arms for? This is a private company, so he can do whatever he wants. That is what everyone has been saying for years. I mean, it turns out they were wrong and Twitter was actually colluding with government agencies to bypass the first amendment. But censorship and targeted suspensions were defended tooth and nail by internet commenters. Is this a problem now only because people you like are tar…

> What is everyone up in arms for?

Elon is harshing the vibes of Twitter addicts.

It's no more sophisticated than that. I used to think it was. But look at conversations about Musk following the twitter purchase, compared to conversations about Musk regarding Tesla. I've come to see that it's just people and their personal relationship to their toys.

I don't give two cares about Tesla and have like 5 Tweets in 14 years. Conversations about either never really made sense to me when looking from the perspective of someone emotionally uninvested and just watching things come and go in the world. But look at tech as toy and it all makes sense.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by DonHopkins »

barbariangrunge wrote: post #296

> Update: Musk just weighed in on the suspensions, characterizing them as intentional. “Same doxxing rules apply to “journalists” as to everyone else,” he tweeted in a reply. > It’s worth noting that the policy these accounts violated, a prohibition against sharing “live location information,” is only 24 hours old. It seems like a good rule, but in this case the application of the rule seems less impersonal than it c…

How does the 24 hour delay location tracking rule agains DOXing benefit somebody who doesn't have a private jet to hop around the world in every day, and always sits at home in the same place, isolating to not get sick, and working hard at home to pay the bills and feed the cats?

Is it just fine and not DOXing to track and publish the location of people who don't move around all the time, after a 24 hour time lag?

Sounds like this 24 hour rule is specifically designed to protect Musk himself, and only incidentally anyone else who happens to own a private plane.

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Post by DonHopkins »

textbookrental wrote: post #543
nemothekid wrote: post #406

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> It seems like a good rule, I don't know - it doesn't seem consistently applied Donie O’Sullivan published a tweet containing a statement from the LAPD and was banned; and personally I don't see it being upheld once Elon's fixation on this story wanes. Furthermore, it just seems that Elon is doing what he accused Twitter of doing for so long; enacting arbitrary rules to silence political opponents. It's his site and…

He doesn't suffer cognitive dissonance.

No, he enjoys cognitive dissonance.

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Post by 4b11b4 »

It's a good way to announce that the policy is being enforced. Plus, it's only 7 days, no permanent suspensions have occured. The doxxing rule is a good one. Free speech remains. You shouldn't be able to shout into the internet megaphone: "they're over there"... especially in an automated fashion.

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Post by andromeduck »

DonHopkins wrote: post #933
barbariangrunge wrote: post #296

> Update: Musk just weighed in on the suspensions, characterizing them as intentional. “Same doxxing rules apply to “journalists” as to everyone else,” he tweeted in a reply. > It’s worth noting that the policy these accounts violated, a prohibition against sharing “live location information,” is only 24 hours old. It seems like a good rule, but in this case the application of the rule seems less impersonal than it c…

How does the 24 hour delay location tracking rule agains DOXing benefit somebody who doesn't have a private jet to hop around the world in every day, and always sits at home in the same place, isolating to not get sick, and working hard at home to pay the bills and feed the cats? Is it just fine and not DOXing to track and publish the location of people who don't move around all the time, after a 24 hour time lag? So…

The man literally posted a video of a guy in a car with his license plate and asked his followers to identify them.

It's bad faith through and through.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603235998263123969

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Post by leereeves »

richbell wrote: post #897
Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #895

It's interesting that many are debating the value of this 'rule', when this action is blatant abuse of his powers to silence his critics. He has now a lengthy and growing history of this type of behavior, so it was 100% foreseeable. He could just come out and say that its his twitter and he can do what he wants, but no, because he also wants to be seen as a 'defender of free speech'. He acts like a-hole, but then exp…

Elon Musk is the kid on the playground shouting "time-out" and inventing a new rule every time he's about to get tagged.

I've known Musk was crazy ever since he baselessly called Vern Unsworth (the diver who rescued the children trapped in a cave in Thailand) a "pedophile".

But there was a reason he invented this new rule, and I think it's unwise and unfair to dismiss a stalker attack as "being tagged on the playground".

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Post by arcticbull »

haliskerbas wrote: post #910
klyrs wrote: post #896

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It's a comfort to me that the Constitution forbids him from running for president.

That is a mutable document.

I wish that were true, but I think at this point it's technically mutable but ossified, much like the Bitcoin genesis block. You could change it, but you'd have to do a lot of work. So much work that it's just not gonna happen.

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Post by paulmd »

im3w1l wrote: post #886
paulmd wrote: post #712

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> If Twitter goes under, the only practical alternative at the moment is Mastodon WeChat: "am I a joke to you?" Seriously, Zuck wishes he had the kind of daily center-stage that WeChat has in their customers' lives. Totally guarantee that if Twitter officially folded they'd at least make a play and they might well come out on top. WeChat is absolutely the #1 beneficiary of any Twitter collapse scenario - which is one…

> they've already got him banning chinese journalists and pushing the state position Mind elaborating on this? Would be a shame if something so important got lost in all the noise.

This is what I was thinking of. China was suppressing information about the protests online by having Twitter ban activists, arresting (and beating) journalists, and running a spam campaign at the same time to push the results out of the feed.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/11/elon-musk-slashed-tw...

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/28/chinese-b...

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/twitte...

HRW points out the general problem here, predictably it came to pass less than a month later lol.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/11/02/why-twitter-under-elon-m...

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by epistasis »

leereeves wrote: post #937
richbell wrote: post #897

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon Musk is the kid on the playground shouting "time-out" and inventing a new rule every time he's about to get tagged.

I've known Musk was crazy ever since he baselessly called Vern Unsworth (the diver who rescued the children trapped in a cave in Thailand) a "pedophile". But there was a reason he invented this new rule, and I think it's unwise and unfair to dismiss a stalker attack as "being tagged on the playground".

Most of those banned have nothing at all to do with providing updates from the public database of jet flight plans.

The only common thread is that they report in Elon Musk. They have nothing to do with the stalking incident, just with annoying Musk by doing other journalism.

Further, if he was doing what you were saying, that's not a new rule. The new rule that Musk made as to bring back doxxers and targeted harassers like LibsOfTikTok, that had been putting innocent people at great bodily risk by inflaming people with falsehoods and then sending them after people in real life. Yet LibsOfTikTok is still on Twitter!!

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