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Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by jjulius »

polygamous_bat wrote: post #836
bambax wrote: post #819

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The buyers of Tesla are, by and large, rich liberals who care about the climate. Musk proceeds to position himself as a QAnon hack. Owning a Tesla was a source of pride and is now a mark of shame and mockery. The only people who actually do care about Twitter are journalists. Musk proceeds to ban some prominent ones from Twitter, for utterly frivolous reasons, which makes them realize that 1/ they're not immune to th…

One of the hypothesis Matt Levine posits in Money Stuff today [1] is that Tesla is branded as liberal tech, and Elon is engaging in Q-foolery to bring in more right leaning people: "the only car free from the woke mind virus". I don't know how much I believe this theory, but definitely interesting. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-12-15/the-se...

>I don't know how much I believe this theory...

Or how well it would actually pay out, as he's alienating his original user base at the same time.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by wpietri »

TheHappyOddish wrote: post #863
wpietri wrote: post #270

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It might also be how Tesla goes out. A lot of people have lost a lot of money on Telsa lately: https://www.investors.com/etfs-and-funds/sectors/tesla-stock... It's hard to overstate what a crucial time this is for Tesla. They had early-adopter success when they had the field to themselves. But now every major car company plus a bunch of other people (possibly including Apple) are coming for them. Pivoting to the main…

Except the model 3 and model Y are still 2 of the 3 best selling EVs in the world. And the stock in Tesla dropping directly correlates with the stock in the SV bubble economy dropping, mass layoffs, and overall economical downturn.

I agree the first bit is true; I just don't think it guarantees future success. Looking at the top 25 vehicles in 2021, Tesla only has one on the list, and that's way down at #17. They have a lot of climbing to do to get to #1. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g36005989/best-selling-car...

The latter argument is addressed in the article: "Tesla's value is down more than 52% since the Twitter buyout was approved on April 25, while the S&P 500 is only off 5.5%. And Tesla stock is off 29% since the deal closed on Oct. 27, much worse than the S&P 500's 6.6% gain in that time."

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by [deleted] »

klyrs wrote: post #896
Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #895

It's interesting that many are debating the value of this 'rule', when this action is blatant abuse of his powers to silence his critics. He has now a lengthy and growing history of this type of behavior, so it was 100% foreseeable. He could just come out and say that its his twitter and he can do what he wants, but no, because he also wants to be seen as a 'defender of free speech'. He acts like a-hole, but then exp…

It's a comfort to me that the Constitution forbids him from running for president.

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Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by ModernMech »

dmix wrote: post #251
vehemenz wrote: post #31

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Why not weakness or incompetence? The guy is clearly out of his depth here.

I defended Elon many times on HN but this is straight up incompetence. Even if they violated some silly location sharing rule they invented yesterday, there's no good excuse. The saddest thing is this only adds fuel to the pro-censorship crowd.

Have you realized yet that Musk has been in the pro-censorship crowd all along, even when you were defending him on HN?

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by memish »

slibhb wrote: post #902
nabla9 wrote: post #900

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Most of HN completely miss the intent of conventional doxxing rules and widely accepted privacy laws in most countries. - Public figures, like politicians, top businessmen, and so on don't get the same amount of privacy and protection as regular Joe. You can follow them and track them. If you have power and influence, you don't enjoy the same privacy protections as others. That's a really good principle to have. - El…

It's funny how this debate has shifted. Now that Elon owns twitter, it's Elon haters bringing up the law whereas before they were talking about how twitter can do what they want as a private company. For my money, there's absolutely nothing wrong with twitter disallowing "person trackers". Legality aside, whether it's Elon Musk or Nancy Pelosi, the subtext of these trackers is creepy and threatening and banning them…

Exactly, the hypocrisy knows no bounds.

They were defending Twitter's biased nontransparent censorship before only because it aligned with their bias. Now that it doesn't match their bias, they see the problem.

Finally, welcome to the club!

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by Fnoord »

eric_cc wrote: post #904
Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #895

It's interesting that many are debating the value of this 'rule', when this action is blatant abuse of his powers to silence his critics. He has now a lengthy and growing history of this type of behavior, so it was 100% foreseeable. He could just come out and say that its his twitter and he can do what he wants, but no, because he also wants to be seen as a 'defender of free speech'. He acts like a-hole, but then exp…

> It's interesting that many are debating the value of this 'rule', when this action is blatant abuse of his powers to silence his critics. I think it’s you that’s missing the point here. It’s only abuse of power if the rule against doxxing is invalid. So it does come down to the rule and whether or not doxxing is acceptable. If we decide that doxxing is acceptable and posting anybody’s real-time location data is acc…

Nobody is posting his whereabouts; someone wrote a bot which grabs public API data which was pulled from ADS-B (which you can receive with a 20 EUR DVB-T receiver) which includes his private jet. His private jet may or may not contain him, and his whereabouts after he left his plane are not included. F.e. if he used a public transport, nobody would post his whereabouts automatically on Twitter.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by ModernMech »

xracy wrote: post #705
jacquesm wrote: post #508

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Full-on paranoia.

Honestly this is scary. Someone with a lot of power and sway over speech and other things getting paranoid that people are after him, and lashing out at any perceived threat is scary. It would be scary if he didn't have half the power he currently holds.

Would be scarier if we hadn’t just endured 4 years of the exact same thing with Trump. Scarier thing to me now is that people somehow still can’t see guys like Musk and Trump (malignant narcissists both) coming from a mile away.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by _djo_ »

eric_cc wrote: post #913
jacquesm wrote: post #523

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No, he banned a bunch of journalists for doing their jobs .

So if I was hired to post your real-time location and disparage your reputation daily, it would be okay? As long as I have the proper job title?

As has been repeated often, aircraft movement information is public.

None of this represents tracking his or his family's real time location, because:

a) We can't tell which aircraft he is on from that data. b) He can use other aircraft, including charters. c) This only applies to while the aircraft is actually airborne or departing from or arriving at an airport, which is already easy to observe and record by spotters, and does not track him or his family anywhere else.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by mannykoum »

randomsearch wrote: post #801
infrawhispers wrote: post #780

Musk joined a Twitter Spaces discussion about the bans and was mocked after he left [1]. Notably, suspended accounts were on stage with Elon during the discussion [2]. The space was ended abruptly 30 minutes later and it appears it was killed on Twitter’s side given that the usual metadata does not match what a closed Space has. This Space was being recorded and the replay is not available [3]. Musk now claims that t…

I think calling anyone defending Musk at any level a “cheerleader” isn’t a helpful framing of the debate. It’s important not to make any issue an “I align with X so you’re against me” conflict. Musk has achieved great, incredible things. That’s just indisputable fact. Musk is also behaving erratically, inconsistently, and seemingly also unethically over Twitter. And has done so in the past, eg in the dispute with the…

> Musk has achieved great, incredible things. That’s just indisputable fact. > We should celebrate the good and debate the bad.

This is the kind of statements that are not a helpful framing of the debate. Musk alone hasn't "has achieved great, incredible things", I can try and dispute this. Why celebrate the good while debating the bad. Instead we should question the good and verify the bad. It should the expected behavior towards anyone in a position of power. Musk being in one of the highest positions of power in the world does not make him more vulnerable...

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by dzader »

thinking4real wrote: post #782
dzader wrote: post #235

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lol you picked the two things no one has said about Elon in 5 years. Basicallyeverything else he has said he would do he has failed at.

Only elon haters could have so much cognitive dissonance that they’ll see self driving cars and privatized space and say “yeah, well what else has he done?”

lol yeah all those self driving cars out there. coming next year right?
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