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Post by CuriouslyC »

wokwokwok wrote: post #257
steve1977 wrote: post #141

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> VSCode is one of the greatest pieces of engineering of our time. That must be one of the saddest things I read this month.

Yes, it’s not. It’s just free. What people mean when they say “I can’t believe how good this is” is: “I can’t believe how good this is for something I got for free” That’s not engineering excellence. It’s just engineering; being given away as a loss leader. Vscode is good and well maintained, but that’s because a lot of money is being spent making it so. Enjoy it; there’s no harm in taking money people are giving awa…

The thing to keep in mind with VS Code is that they built a new IDE on a rather humble platform, and somehow managed to leapfrog every other IDE in the market (for JS and Python anyhow) in terms of functionality while keeping performance good. It may not be a marvel of engineering, but it is a marvel for having strong product vision and top notch execution while also being well engineered.

Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by p-e-w »

steve1977 wrote: post #141
p-e-w wrote: post #75

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VSCode is one of the greatest pieces of engineering of our time. It's really only when you compare it with Atom that you realize how great it is. Atom was built by incredibly smart people, who had full control over the platform and several years of head start, and they were still out-engineered by the VSCode team at every turn. VSCode did almost everything right: The choice of TypeScript as the base language (with wh…

> VSCode is one of the greatest pieces of engineering of our time. That must be one of the saddest things I read this month.

Could you elaborate on what exactly you find "sad" about it?

Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by H1Supreme »

wokwokwok wrote: post #443
opan wrote: post #400

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Vim and Emacs are free. This seems like the norm to me.

Yes, and when was the last time a large room of new developers told you how amazed they were at how great Emacs was? How easy it was to setup vim plugins? How seemless the experience was between Mac and windows and Linux? Literally never would be my answer. People like vscode because of the time and effort that has been spent making it friendly and approachable, yet still powerful. Those are not just things that magi…

> How seemless the experience was between Mac and windows and Linux?

It's pretty damn seamless with Vim. I code on a Mac these days, but was using Windows (w/ WSL) and Ubuntu about 50/50 before that. The same Vim (neovim) config script followed me everywhere.

Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by donum »

gizzlon wrote: post #242
szastamasta wrote: post #132

It might sound controversial, but for me Atom was almost a 1 to 1 Sublime copy with worse performance and quality. It was slow and ugly. It’s only quality was that it was 0$. It was the first editor I’ve seen to choke when opening 1M file (it even had a warning that it’s a too big file - lol). There simply was not enough RAM in the world for this memory hog. I’m not really sad to see it go. It was another free toy of…

Both Sublime Text and Merge are great and well worth the price for me :)

Same for me and my whole Team. I'm loving it. They're cheap, reliable, fast, flexible, beautiful - just awesome enabler that don't stand in the way. Huge Kudos to the creators! <3

Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by [deleted] »

Beltalowda wrote: post #347
rtpg wrote: post #342

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The thing is it successfully had work put in so that it’s a standard. “They did a thing that basically no one succeeded in doing” is, imo, proof of something.

I don't think anyone tried to really make a standard, as far as I know. But even if they did, there's lots of reasons why some things take off and others don't: putting in the work as you mentioned, whether it's any good, marketing, state of other tooling and tech, zeitgeist at the time ("timing"), etc. Would something like Go have taken off 20 years ago? I'm not so sure, the zeitgeist at the time was very much in th…

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Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by criddell »

dasil003 wrote: post #435
criddell wrote: post #403

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> I’d shudder to have to go back from Git to SVN. What are some of the Git features that make a big difference to you? I use them on different projects and I end up using them both in the same very basic way (check out code, make changes, check code in).

Merging. Sure you can “branch” on svn but you merge at your own risk.

Subversion merging has mostly been fixed. I haven't really noticed much difference between the two systems.

One place where Subversion historically did better with respect to merging is avoiding merging by allowing you to lock files. We use this with some binary files in our repository. About a year ago Git added similar functionality but I haven't had the chance to try it yet.

Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by p-e-w »

catfishx wrote: post #228
p-e-w wrote: post #170

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I hold VSCode to be at least equal to those achievements. Having used dozens of text editors and IDEs in the course of my programming career, I can appreciate how non-obvious it is for a piece of software this complex to work so fucking well all the time. And considering how many people are empowered by the productivity gains VSCode brings, I'd say that the real-world impact of VSCode is also much greater than that o…

You are saying an IDE (of which there are many wayyy better) is as equally important as a technology which helped save thousands of lives? Do you really think VSCode is an equally big achievement as building space stations? peoples lives are more important than a few hours of a programmers life getting used to vim (or any other non VSCode editor) EDIT: Even millions, and thats only one of thousand technologies that i…

It baffles me how many people seem to have no idea how important software is.

Software runs the world. It runs your healthcare. It runs medical research. It runs space exploration. It runs every science megaproject. None of the engineering feats mentioned above would have been remotely possible without modern software.

And modern software is built with tools like VSCode. In fact, I can pretty much guarantee that VSCode was and is involved in the development and maintenance of every single project listed above.

Software controls lives. Software saves lives. Software is every single bit as important as medicine. If all software suddenly stopped working, civilization would collapse and hundreds of millions, if not billions, of people would die.

It wasn't always so. But it certainly is today.

Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by ilikehurdles »

nocman wrote: post #229
steve1977 wrote: post #148

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But with a crappy language.

again, like the JVM I am not particularly fond of Java (I know I am not alone :-D).

The third most loved language [1], below Rust and Elixir, uses the JVM: Clojure.

[1]: https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#section-most-loved-dre...

Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by p-e-w »

ocimbote wrote: post #209
p-e-w wrote: post #170

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I hold VSCode to be at least equal to those achievements. Having used dozens of text editors and IDEs in the course of my programming career, I can appreciate how non-obvious it is for a piece of software this complex to work so fucking well all the time. And considering how many people are empowered by the productivity gains VSCode brings, I'd say that the real-world impact of VSCode is also much greater than that o…

VSCode over mRNA vaccines? That's too obvious of a troll, please, stop here for a second, take a deep breath and reconsider. It's okay, you can let go of your past mistake, nobody will blame you.

See my reply on the sibling comment.

To summarize, you have no idea how important software is.

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