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Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by nailer »

bmitc wrote: post #864
randomsearch wrote: post #801

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think calling anyone defending Musk at any level a “cheerleader” isn’t a helpful framing of the debate. It’s important not to make any issue an “I align with X so you’re against me” conflict. Musk has achieved great, incredible things. That’s just indisputable fact. Musk is also behaving erratically, inconsistently, and seemingly also unethically over Twitter. And has done so in the past, eg in the dispute with the…

> I think calling anyone defending Musk at any level a “cheerleader” isn’t a helpful framing of the debate. What would be? When I see replies on Twitter that say things like “why are you arguing with literally the smartest person in the world?” in reference to someone challenging or critiquing Musk and other such hyperbolic comments coming out of nowhere, what do you call this other than cheerleading? > Musk has achi…

> > calling anyone defending Musk at any level a “cheerleader” isn’t a helpful framing of the debate.

> I see replies on Twitter that say things like “why are you arguing with literally the smartest person in the world?” in reference to someone challenging or critiquing Musk

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nutpicking

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Post by mayankkaizen »

nonbirithm wrote: post #550

I'm wondering what's going to happen to the massive public record of tweets if Twitter as a company does indeed implode. Thousands of tweets are referenced in news articles and blog posts via links to Twitter. Are all of them going to evaporate from the web at once? It would probably turn out to be the biggest case of link rot in history. It would also be pretty interesting 10 years from now if we characterized this…

I don't have a source right now but I did read some years ago that US govt (NSA?) does save every single tweet in its archive.

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Post by drcongo »

jacquesm wrote: post #230
runarberg wrote: post #146

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That is normally not how cults work—and yes, I am claiming elon is a cult. When a cult leader fails to deliver, or otherwise issues a prediction that never materializes, the cult member usually grow stronger in the cult’s convictions. This is kind of a counterintuitive psychological phenomena but it has been demonstrated quite a few times. There may be something of a cognitive dissonance driving this. It is that afte…

At this point the Kool-Aid can't be far off.

I hope so.

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Post by jacquesm »

haberman wrote: post #673
barbariangrunge wrote: post #296

> Update: Musk just weighed in on the suspensions, characterizing them as intentional. “Same doxxing rules apply to “journalists” as to everyone else,” he tweeted in a reply. > It’s worth noting that the policy these accounts violated, a prohibition against sharing “live location information,” is only 24 hours old. It seems like a good rule, but in this case the application of the rule seems less impersonal than it c…

I agree. Principles are the only way out of this. People need to feel faith that an evenhanded application of impartial standards will protect both them and their ideological foes alike. Whatever privacy standards are established need to protect everyone the same. It's easy to point out Musk's hypocrisy and shifting standards. Conservatives did the same when it was more liberal people who ran Twitter. We need to appe…

For Twitter it is too late though.

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Post by ceejayoz »

chrisbaker98 wrote: post #870
cmh89 wrote: post #520

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The people who cheered Musk for his "pro free speech" attitude don't actually believe or want free speech. They want free speech for themselves and censorship for people they don't like. See the terrorist attacks against Drag Queens.

Please provide an example that actually happened of a "terrorist attack against drag queens".

Five dead in Colorado very recently: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/21/us/colorado-springs-shoot...

Less terroristy but still super shitty: https://www.vice.com/en/article/4axmy3/far-right-attacked-dr...

If Musk wants to demonstrate a newly sensitive attitude towards doxxing and its dangers, he’s welcome to ban Libs of TikTok.

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Post by [deleted] »

randomsearch wrote: post #801
infrawhispers wrote: post #780

Musk joined a Twitter Spaces discussion about the bans and was mocked after he left [1]. Notably, suspended accounts were on stage with Elon during the discussion [2]. The space was ended abruptly 30 minutes later and it appears it was killed on Twitter’s side given that the usual metadata does not match what a closed Space has. This Space was being recorded and the replay is not available [3]. Musk now claims that t…

I think calling anyone defending Musk at any level a “cheerleader” isn’t a helpful framing of the debate. It’s important not to make any issue an “I align with X so you’re against me” conflict. Musk has achieved great, incredible things. That’s just indisputable fact. Musk is also behaving erratically, inconsistently, and seemingly also unethically over Twitter. And has done so in the past, eg in the dispute with the…

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Post by chrisbaker98 »

bl_valance wrote: post #274
c54 wrote: post #29

The wave of bans from the muskjet thing has been quite dramatic. It'll be interesting to see if the people who've been lauding musk for his supposedly pro free speech attitudes will reckon with what's been happening in actuality, or if they'll just accept this as "freedom for me but not for thee".

I agreed with most of what he's done up to the point where he banned ElonJet, and now these journalists. It's so dumb to ban an account that was simply sharing already public ADS-B data, it's completely legal, my guess is that he had a bunch of other rich friends that were calling for him to remove these accounts. As for journalists, I guess we'll need to wait, early guess is that Twitter has probably found some dirt…

I think that ElonJet shouldn't have been banned and that Elon is behaving like a pathetic, petulant child, but if the recent bans bother you more than the fact that Twitter worked with the US security state to suppress a truthful and politically salient story (HB's laptop) in the run-up to an election, then you and I have very different priorities.

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Post by belter »

barbariangrunge wrote: post #296

> Update: Musk just weighed in on the suspensions, characterizing them as intentional. “Same doxxing rules apply to “journalists” as to everyone else,” he tweeted in a reply. > It’s worth noting that the policy these accounts violated, a prohibition against sharing “live location information,” is only 24 hours old. It seems like a good rule, but in this case the application of the rule seems less impersonal than it c…

"Elon Musk rages off Twitter Spaces" - https://youtu.be/znFNKlzuTSc

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Post by xadhominemx »

TheHappyOddish wrote: post #855
bambax wrote: post #819

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The buyers of Tesla are, by and large, rich liberals who care about the climate. Musk proceeds to position himself as a QAnon hack. Owning a Tesla was a source of pride and is now a mark of shame and mockery. The only people who actually do care about Twitter are journalists. Musk proceeds to ban some prominent ones from Twitter, for utterly frivolous reasons, which makes them realize that 1/ they're not immune to th…

Not one person I know with a Tesla has a strong passion or care for climate change or would meet the American definition for "liberal". I've also never heard any express pride or shame based on the CEOs actions. I wonder if you're in a bubble here?

If you know many Tesla owners and not one of them is a liberal, you are certainly the one in a bubble

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

infrawhispers wrote: post #780

Musk joined a Twitter Spaces discussion about the bans and was mocked after he left [1]. Notably, suspended accounts were on stage with Elon during the discussion [2]. The space was ended abruptly 30 minutes later and it appears it was killed on Twitter’s side given that the usual metadata does not match what a closed Space has. This Space was being recorded and the replay is not available [3]. Musk now claims that t…

Let’s be honest he was mocked after pointing out journalists would no longer have special privileges on the platform and if they dox people they will be banned.

Still convinced all this is really about is anger at the destruction of the class system that existed on Twitter.

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