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Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by TheHappyOddish »

kevingadd wrote: post #640
lambic2 wrote: post #481

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But aren't the coordinates of his plane public anyways? And wouldn't shutting down ElonJet account be enough, why all these journalists' accounts as well?

Yeah, it was public ADS-B data. A lot of the suspended journalists never even posted his location, they just posted about the situation or the supposed stalker incident.

From what I've read, this is untrue. He has requested a privacy ICAO (https://nbaa.org/aircraft-operations/security/privacy/privac...), and as such the ownership was not public.

The data published was not just ADS-B data, but ADS-B data + content intended to violate the specific privacy ICAO.

I'm not defending Musks actions, simply providing additional context.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by selimthegrim »

zerocrates wrote: post #751
burkaman wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is why it would be interesting to post public information about politicians collected from the online spyware that tracks all of us. It would rapidly motivate new laws that at least somewhat improve privacy. I don't think so. The New York Times demonstrated this three years ago, nobody really cared: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/20/opinion/locat...

There's history of this kind of thing spurring political action: what comes immediately to mind is the Video Privacy Protection Act, enacted after a reporter got hold of Robert Bork's video rental records. At the time, Bork was in the middle of a contentious (and ultimately failed) confirmation process to be named to the Supreme Court, and Bork's views on the lack of a constitutional right to privacy gave the writer…

I am pretty sure people got a hold of Clarence Thomas’s too

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by TheHappyOddish »

wpietri wrote: post #270
afavour wrote: post #22

So this is how Twitter goes out: not with a bang but with a seemingly endless stream of stories about the little ways Elon is ruining the service each day. Just staggers me that Elon could have just… not done any of this. And yet here we are. He’s had to sell billions in Tesla stock to finance this ongoing mayhem, this is surely going to be up there as one of the greatest examples of hubris in modern business.

It might also be how Tesla goes out. A lot of people have lost a lot of money on Telsa lately: https://www.investors.com/etfs-and-funds/sectors/tesla-stock... It's hard to overstate what a crucial time this is for Tesla. They had early-adopter success when they had the field to themselves. But now every major car company plus a bunch of other people (possibly including Apple) are coming for them. Pivoting to the main…

Except the model 3 and model Y are still 2 of the 3 best selling EVs in the world.

And the stock in Tesla dropping directly correlates with the stock in the SV bubble economy dropping, mass layoffs, and overall economical downturn.

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Post by bmitc »

randomsearch wrote: post #801
infrawhispers wrote: post #780

Musk joined a Twitter Spaces discussion about the bans and was mocked after he left [1]. Notably, suspended accounts were on stage with Elon during the discussion [2]. The space was ended abruptly 30 minutes later and it appears it was killed on Twitter’s side given that the usual metadata does not match what a closed Space has. This Space was being recorded and the replay is not available [3]. Musk now claims that t…

I think calling anyone defending Musk at any level a “cheerleader” isn’t a helpful framing of the debate. It’s important not to make any issue an “I align with X so you’re against me” conflict. Musk has achieved great, incredible things. That’s just indisputable fact. Musk is also behaving erratically, inconsistently, and seemingly also unethically over Twitter. And has done so in the past, eg in the dispute with the…

> I think calling anyone defending Musk at any level a “cheerleader” isn’t a helpful framing of the debate.

What would be? When I see replies on Twitter that say things like “why are you arguing with literally the smartest person in the world?” in reference to someone challenging or critiquing Musk and other such hyperbolic comments coming out of nowhere, what do you call this other than cheerleading?

> Musk has achieved great, incredible things. That’s just indisputable fact.

That is more than disputable. What great things has he done?

Musk has acted like a child and bully his entire career. People like me have called this out to downvotes, criticism, and almost ostracization and finally others are becoming aware of it. The sort of outpouring of hate of Musk is coming from this because people are more than weary of putting up with cult of personality and unbridled and misplaced worship of Musk.

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Post by [deleted] »

TheHappyOddish wrote: post #855
bambax wrote: post #819

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The buyers of Tesla are, by and large, rich liberals who care about the climate. Musk proceeds to position himself as a QAnon hack. Owning a Tesla was a source of pride and is now a mark of shame and mockery. The only people who actually do care about Twitter are journalists. Musk proceeds to ban some prominent ones from Twitter, for utterly frivolous reasons, which makes them realize that 1/ they're not immune to th…

Not one person I know with a Tesla has a strong passion or care for climate change or would meet the American definition for "liberal". I've also never heard any express pride or shame based on the CEOs actions. I wonder if you're in a bubble here?

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Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by drcongo »

ditonal wrote: post #607
cmh89 wrote: post #520

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people who cheered Musk for his "pro free speech" attitude don't actually believe or want free speech. They want free speech for themselves and censorship for people they don't like. See the terrorist attacks against Drag Queens.

I don't know why it's so impossible to believe there are people who truly do want free speech. I wasn't sure if Musk was going to deliver it, but I tried to remain open-minded. I did think previous Twitter management leaned left with some admittedly difficult moderation decisions, but obviously I'm finding out that Musk is even less supportive of true free speech. Ironically this banning of Mastodon links is the #1 t…

> I don't know why it's so impossible to believe there are people who truly do want free speech.

Anyone intelligent enough to think it through knows it's a paradox, so anyone who truly does want free speech clearly hasn't actually thought it through. They exist, but nobody should take them seriously.

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Post by patrec »

PR-wise, this might actually be a pretty clever (partial) recovery from banning and threatening to sue Jack Sweeney. The world's second richest man legally going after a pimply college kid, after bragging about how he won't even ban his account due to his love of free speech is and looks just pathetic.

Baiting the establishment press like this and making the plebs vote on their fate is actually a pretty good distraction move and gives him an opportunity to climb down in a somewhat face-saving fashion (I'm doubtful he's crazy enough to go through with suing Jack Sweeney, but we'll see).

Of course this doesn't change the fact that Musk is an unprincipled and pampered hypocrite and could have handled this much better. A no-live-tracking policy would have offered very little real attack surface if it had been rolled out in a remotely competent fashion.

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Post by chrisbaker98 »

hakanderyal wrote: post #706

Every time I see a new episode of this saga, I remember this[0] thread from Yishan, predicting these troubles. [0] https://twitter.com/yishan/status/1514938507407421440?s=46&t...

The problem with Yishan's analysis...

> Both sides think the platform is institutionally biased against them.

... is that it could still be true that the platform is institutionally biased in one direction. Both sides could think it, but one could be right and the other could be wrong.

Of course, if I try to stick up for one side then I'm playing into Yishan's hand. He's rigged the game so that if you try to argue back then he can just say you're proving his point: "no, you just think it's biased against you, but other side thinks that too! See what I mean?" But considering the revelations we've seen in the recent leaks, the "both sides" rhetoric now rings pretty damn hollow.

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Post by nailer »

infrawhispers wrote: post #780

Musk joined a Twitter Spaces discussion about the bans and was mocked after he left [1]. Notably, suspended accounts were on stage with Elon during the discussion [2]. The space was ended abruptly 30 minutes later and it appears it was killed on Twitter’s side given that the usual metadata does not match what a closed Space has. This Space was being recorded and the replay is not available [3]. Musk now claims that t…

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34010908

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by chrisbaker98 »

cmh89 wrote: post #520
c54 wrote: post #29

The wave of bans from the muskjet thing has been quite dramatic. It'll be interesting to see if the people who've been lauding musk for his supposedly pro free speech attitudes will reckon with what's been happening in actuality, or if they'll just accept this as "freedom for me but not for thee".

The people who cheered Musk for his "pro free speech" attitude don't actually believe or want free speech. They want free speech for themselves and censorship for people they don't like. See the terrorist attacks against Drag Queens.

Please provide an example that actually happened of a "terrorist attack against drag queens".
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