Re: the drop in comment quality - it’s because this subject is being massively astroturfed at the moment, across all big sites.
astroturfed by who?
Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists
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#842Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, he banned a bunch of journalists for doing their jobs .
The article states that given reason was "journalists had revealed private information about his family" Your comment erroneously claims the reason was "for doing their jobs". I'd recommend reading dang's comment since you have a lot of inflammatory comments in this thread. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34010908
I don't think it's difficult to become inflammatory when people are twisting themselves into pretzels trying to paint what Twitter/Elon did as justified. You're not arguing in good faith and I see that as far more harmful for HN.
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#843Musk joined a Twitter Spaces discussion about the bans and was mocked after he left [1]. Notably, suspended accounts were on stage with Elon during the discussion [2]. The space was ended abruptly 30 minutes later and it appears it was killed on Twitter’s side given that the usual metadata does not match what a closed Space has. This Space was being recorded and the replay is not available [3]. Musk now claims that t…
I think calling anyone defending Musk at any level a “cheerleader” isn’t a helpful framing of the debate. It’s important not to make any issue an “I align with X so you’re against me” conflict. Musk has achieved great, incredible things. That’s just indisputable fact. Musk is also behaving erratically, inconsistently, and seemingly also unethically over Twitter. And has done so in the past, eg in the dispute with the…
Will you mention all the bad about Elon in a post about SpaceX achivements? I guess not, from your post. So no need to mention the merits of the companies he owns in a post about his absurd behavior.
Though in my opinion you assign way too much credit to a CEO of three companies that apparently spends most of his time on social media and being offended.
Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists
#844Musk joined a Twitter Spaces discussion about the bans and was mocked after he left [1]. Notably, suspended accounts were on stage with Elon during the discussion [2]. The space was ended abruptly 30 minutes later and it appears it was killed on Twitter’s side given that the usual metadata does not match what a closed Space has. This Space was being recorded and the replay is not available [3]. Musk now claims that t…
I think calling anyone defending Musk at any level a “cheerleader” isn’t a helpful framing of the debate. It’s important not to make any issue an “I align with X so you’re against me” conflict. Musk has achieved great, incredible things. That’s just indisputable fact. Musk is also behaving erratically, inconsistently, and seemingly also unethically over Twitter. And has done so in the past, eg in the dispute with the…
>I think calling anyone defending Musk at any level a “cheerleader” isn’t a helpful framing of the debate.
I generally agree with you POV (people are complicated). I don't think the parent was calling people people cheerleaders merely for defending him on any level.
But to add to your comment. I never understand why people are surprised that a person driven, opinionated and cutthroat enough to be a successful business person is a bit of an arsehole in person. It kind of goes with the territory.
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#845Earlier quoted context omitted.
The buyers of Tesla are, by and large, rich liberals who care about the climate. Musk proceeds to position himself as a QAnon hack. Owning a Tesla was a source of pride and is now a mark of shame and mockery. The only people who actually do care about Twitter are journalists. Musk proceeds to ban some prominent ones from Twitter, for utterly frivolous reasons, which makes them realize that 1/ they're not immune to th…
> Owning a Tesla was a source of pride and is now a mark of shame and mockery. This is so true. Why sabotage your main user base? Owning Tesla is similar to staying in trump tower. I am really waiting for tesla sales numbers in liberal states like California and NY.
Have your seen interest rates? Everyone's numbers are going to be out of whack, trying to read what liberals think about buying Teslas from that is some fine tea leaf reading.
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#846This is being done to distract from his large stock sales, right?
Except Tesla's already tanked since Q3, so I don't know that it worked.
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#847Earlier quoted context omitted.
The buyers of Tesla are, by and large, rich liberals who care about the climate. Musk proceeds to position himself as a QAnon hack. Owning a Tesla was a source of pride and is now a mark of shame and mockery. The only people who actually do care about Twitter are journalists. Musk proceeds to ban some prominent ones from Twitter, for utterly frivolous reasons, which makes them realize that 1/ they're not immune to th…
One of the hypothesis Matt Levine posits in Money Stuff today [1] is that Tesla is branded as liberal tech, and Elon is engaging in Q-foolery to bring in more right leaning people: "the only car free from the woke mind virus". I don't know how much I believe this theory, but definitely interesting. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-12-15/the-se...
But why? I am under the impression the Q crowd doesn't tend to be the wealthiest bunch. Tesla was also already selling every car they could make, with like a 6 month backorder. Expanding, or switching, your target market makes no sense if they cannot afford your product, and you have no inventory to sell them anyways.
Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists
#848Earlier quoted context omitted.
The buyers of Tesla are, by and large, rich liberals who care about the climate. Musk proceeds to position himself as a QAnon hack. Owning a Tesla was a source of pride and is now a mark of shame and mockery. The only people who actually do care about Twitter are journalists. Musk proceeds to ban some prominent ones from Twitter, for utterly frivolous reasons, which makes them realize that 1/ they're not immune to th…
One of the hypothesis Matt Levine posits in Money Stuff today [1] is that Tesla is branded as liberal tech, and Elon is engaging in Q-foolery to bring in more right leaning people: "the only car free from the woke mind virus". I don't know how much I believe this theory, but definitely interesting. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-12-15/the-se...
Other companies seem to have success with being as ambivalent and silent as possible (with careful PR) while Elon seems to believe his hold on existing customers is strong enough so he can somewhat alienate them without loosing them.
We will see if that works out.
Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists
#849Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think calling anyone defending Musk at any level a “cheerleader” isn’t a helpful framing of the debate. It’s important not to make any issue an “I align with X so you’re against me” conflict. Musk has achieved great, incredible things. That’s just indisputable fact. Musk is also behaving erratically, inconsistently, and seemingly also unethically over Twitter. And has done so in the past, eg in the dispute with the…
>I think calling anyone defending Musk at any level a “cheerleader” isn’t a helpful framing of the debate. I generally agree with you POV (people are complicated). I don't think the parent was calling people people cheerleaders merely for defending him on any level. But to add to your comment. I never understand why people are surprised that a person driven, opinionated and cutthroat enough to be a successful busines…
> I don't think the parent was calling people people cheerleaders merely for defending him on any level.
Ah, I definitely read it that way. The use of “cheerleaders” leaves little room for ambiguity, I think.
I was watching a brilliant talk from someone quite famous in the nerd world and he was talking about Steve Jobs and the two things he brought to business… paraphrasing, one about being a visionary, and the other about… let’s say “strong management”. I do wonder if you’re right, I hope it’s possible to be nice and great though. Maybe it’s just harder.
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#850Every time I see a new episode of this saga, I remember this[0] thread from Yishan, predicting these troubles. [0] https://twitter.com/yishan/status/1514938507407421440?s=46&t...
Thanks for sharing this. First time I read it, and the accuracy of Yishan's predictions, made back in April, are incredibly spot on. Phenomenal analysis as well on the difference between censoring ideas versus censoring behaviours. Great read.