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Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by randomsearch »

infrawhispers wrote: post #780

Musk joined a Twitter Spaces discussion about the bans and was mocked after he left [1]. Notably, suspended accounts were on stage with Elon during the discussion [2]. The space was ended abruptly 30 minutes later and it appears it was killed on Twitter’s side given that the usual metadata does not match what a closed Space has. This Space was being recorded and the replay is not available [3]. Musk now claims that t…

I think calling anyone defending Musk at any level a “cheerleader” isn’t a helpful framing of the debate.

It’s important not to make any issue an “I align with X so you’re against me” conflict.

Musk has achieved great, incredible things. That’s just indisputable fact.

Musk is also behaving erratically, inconsistently, and seemingly also unethically over Twitter. And has done so in the past, eg in the dispute with the diver or against short sellers.

One aspect of Elon’s actions does not cancel the other out. We should celebrate the good and debate the bad.

I feel like this melodrama is driven by Musk’s detractors ready to pounce and dismiss, say, the development of reusable rockets, by Musk being petulant. That is not an argument that makes any sense.

And the same goes for any fans who think Musk’s incredible achievements give him permission to ban and censor those who annoy him.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by bozhark »

infrawhispers wrote: post #780

Musk joined a Twitter Spaces discussion about the bans and was mocked after he left [1]. Notably, suspended accounts were on stage with Elon during the discussion [2]. The space was ended abruptly 30 minutes later and it appears it was killed on Twitter’s side given that the usual metadata does not match what a closed Space has. This Space was being recorded and the replay is not available [3]. Musk now claims that t…

record locally?

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by Herbstluft »

calculatte wrote: post #671
barbariangrunge wrote: post #296

> Update: Musk just weighed in on the suspensions, characterizing them as intentional. “Same doxxing rules apply to “journalists” as to everyone else,” he tweeted in a reply. > It’s worth noting that the policy these accounts violated, a prohibition against sharing “live location information,” is only 24 hours old. It seems like a good rule, but in this case the application of the rule seems less impersonal than it c…

What is everyone up in arms for? This is a private company, so he can do whatever he wants. That is what everyone has been saying for years. I mean, it turns out they were wrong and Twitter was actually colluding with government agencies to bypass the first amendment. But censorship and targeted suspensions were defended tooth and nail by internet commenters. Is this a problem now only because people you like are tar…

Musk is free to do what he wants. And everyone is just as free to criticize him for his behaviour.

You are presenting these two things as if they were mutually exclusive. They are not.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by mschuster91 »

anigbrowl wrote: post #412

Echoing David Sacks, he's now tweeting that the journalists in question were tweeting 'assassination coordinates.' https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603587970832793600 Starting to think there might be some national security issues with one guy being the nominal linchpin of the US space program, satellite internet, and global public messaging infrastructure.

> Starting to think there might be some national security issues with one guy being the nominal linchpin of the US space program, satellite internet, and global public messaging infrastructure.

Which is why there are rumors and calls floating around that the US government should seize control over Starlink and SpaceX, e.g. [1], for national security issues.

The entire debate perfectly shows why neither complete government control over such programs nor complete private control is good - Boeing/ULA were milking the government for cash and acted as pork distributers for decades while showing not much progress, and Starlink's actions in Ukraine show the dangers that independent actors can wield over US foreign policy.

[1] https://fee.org/articles/former-bush-speechwriter-says-feds-...

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by mattmanser »

randomsearch wrote: post #801
infrawhispers wrote: post #780

Musk joined a Twitter Spaces discussion about the bans and was mocked after he left [1]. Notably, suspended accounts were on stage with Elon during the discussion [2]. The space was ended abruptly 30 minutes later and it appears it was killed on Twitter’s side given that the usual metadata does not match what a closed Space has. This Space was being recorded and the replay is not available [3]. Musk now claims that t…

I think calling anyone defending Musk at any level a “cheerleader” isn’t a helpful framing of the debate. It’s important not to make any issue an “I align with X so you’re against me” conflict. Musk has achieved great, incredible things. That’s just indisputable fact. Musk is also behaving erratically, inconsistently, and seemingly also unethically over Twitter. And has done so in the past, eg in the dispute with the…

People at Tesla and SpaceX have achieved great things, not Musk.

All he's demonstrating is that CEO pay and comp should never have got as high as it has and taxes on rich people needs to go way higher, they are just going to waste it any way.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by mcv »

darawk wrote: post #609
GoofballJones wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those journalists weren't reporting specific locations of his jet...they were reporting on a legit news story about it. Musk didn't like it so the journalists are now banned. The dude is truly off his rocker now. The "rules" are whatever he makes up on the spot. He's self-destructing before our eyes...no longer the richest man in the world. Telsa stock tanking all because he can't STFU and acts like a spoiled 12 year…

> Those journalists weren't reporting specific locations of his jet...they were reporting on a legit news story about it. Do you have evidence of that? He claims they were reporting the location.

They weren't. From what I understand, some of them merely linked to the already banned @Elonjet account on Twitter. They didn't link to his location by even the loosest interpretation.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by randomsearch »

postingawayonhn wrote: post #697
calculatte wrote: post #671

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is everyone up in arms for? This is a private company, so he can do whatever he wants. That is what everyone has been saying for years. I mean, it turns out they were wrong and Twitter was actually colluding with government agencies to bypass the first amendment. But censorship and targeted suspensions were defended tooth and nail by internet commenters. Is this a problem now only because people you like are tar…

> What is everyone up in arms for? This is a private company, so he can do whatever he wants. They're just sick and tired of the billionaire hypocrite.

What is the significance of the word “billionaire” in that sentence? Is it worse to be a hypocrite if you’re a billionaire? Do you think it’s unethical to be a billionaire?

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by eggy »

Georgelemental wrote: post #151
eggy wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, just like when pre-Musk Twitter banned NY Post/journalists over a true story about Hunter Biden's laptop. I don't see how an anti-doxxing rule banning people tracking Elon Musk's whereabouts is worse.

Both. Both acts of censorship are bad

I agree. I wanted to present the opposite side to make sure short-term memories remembered.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by YokoSix »

randomsearch wrote: post #801
infrawhispers wrote: post #780

Musk joined a Twitter Spaces discussion about the bans and was mocked after he left [1]. Notably, suspended accounts were on stage with Elon during the discussion [2]. The space was ended abruptly 30 minutes later and it appears it was killed on Twitter’s side given that the usual metadata does not match what a closed Space has. This Space was being recorded and the replay is not available [3]. Musk now claims that t…

I think calling anyone defending Musk at any level a “cheerleader” isn’t a helpful framing of the debate. It’s important not to make any issue an “I align with X so you’re against me” conflict. Musk has achieved great, incredible things. That’s just indisputable fact. Musk is also behaving erratically, inconsistently, and seemingly also unethically over Twitter. And has done so in the past, eg in the dispute with the…

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Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by randomsearch »

This seems like a big drama without the complexity that would justify it.

Essentially, Twitter should have a clear and consistent moderation policy. Musk should not be able to arbitrarily change that policy, or certainly not when the situation directly concerns him. So you publish a policy and then it gets regularly reviewed, and that’s it.

Tbf, it seems that pre-Musk Twitter was also fairly arbitrary, it’s just now it’s for his benefit rather than the murky hidden incentives of the previous regime. They do seem to have set precedent by responding to arbitrary pressures.

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