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‘Two years of lost immigration’ is responsible for half of missing workforce

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Re: ‘Two years of lost immigration’ is responsible for half of missing workforce

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Post by barry-cotter »

Blackthorn wrote: post #57
ferrumfist wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> democrats are only for it just enough to foil the republicans Absolutely not. Modern Democrats are neoliberals to the extreme. Neoliberals are very pro-immigration.

> Neoliberals are very pro-immigration. Is this really the case? My experience with neoliberalism is they are certainly pro-globalism, but would be quite happy physically keeping everyone where they currently are (all the better to exploit the wage gaps).

Do you have any concept of how much more productive people are in developed countries than undeveloped? Unskilled labour in the US gets paid a lot more than ten times what it does in Haiti. Investing in the third world is what you do because you can’t get labour in places you already know too do business in, where you’d want to live.

Re: ‘Two years of lost immigration’ is responsible for half of missing workforce

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Post by gloryjulio »

onethought wrote: post #81
gloryjulio wrote: post #78

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Uhhh, no? I don't think u realize how big of the gap between the average programming work vs fanng+ companies. Note that I didn't say the quality of the candidates, because I don't think it's hard and most of the ppl can achieve that level if they really tried. But the difference in work is so huge it's basically 2 type of jobs. In typical fanng companies, most regular ppl wont survive. It's highly competitive and re…

I’m calling bs on this. Many people in faang companies I know are pretty average work effort required is also pretty average, could you provide more concrete examples of where this isn’t true?

Lets start from faang, Amazon/meta/Netflix have high review bar, u r behold to biquaterlly review and sometimes quarterly review. If u havent heard of ura, go look it up. Google is somewhat more relaxed as their culture encouraging improving the employees instead of performance based firing outright but this might change, look it up regardless. apple's wlb is suprisingly bad as their very top down, of coz the pay is good.

Outside faang,twitter was famed to be a more relax place. its gone now after elon take over. stripe is famous for being aws 2.0. these are the places are either i worked at or have friends there. Also consider thr currently layoff is largely performance based

for wlb, 40-50 is the norm if u r good. if u are average in putting out the effort, i dont think u can survive the ramp up in the first year with less than 50h per week. companies like amazon doesnt even give u time to ramp up.

But if u survive the first 2 year, u r probably fine. An 'average' employee in this sense will be vastly capable of dealing with the org chaos and oncall, and churn out the commits at the same time. The wlb will be much better if he is in a stable org. He will be more experienced in gaming the reviews too.

Once again, i never mentioned the quality of the candidates, i only talk about the work and performance. i think most of the ppl are capable,just whether they really tried.

Re: ‘Two years of lost immigration’ is responsible for half of missing workforce

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Post by cersei »

I don't think people want to come into the US anymore. The country has been in a serious decline since Bush Jr, and it's not going to be changed by a one or two terms of a democratic presidency. Even developing countries don't have the same issues with abortion rights, etc...

Re: ‘Two years of lost immigration’ is responsible for half of missing workforce

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Post by Ekaros »

cersei wrote: post #93

I don't think people want to come into the US anymore. The country has been in a serious decline since Bush Jr, and it's not going to be changed by a one or two terms of a democratic presidency. Even developing countries don't have the same issues with abortion rights, etc...

I don't think abortion rights are a big problem.

But health-care, education both primary and later. Raising costs of living and housing. It is not exactly pretty picture from outside.

Re: ‘Two years of lost immigration’ is responsible for half of missing workforce

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Post by Ekaros »

cat_plus_plus wrote: post #87
darth_avocado wrote: post #59

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H1B is an easy scapegoat. You see people of certain nationalities on visa and think ohh the companies are bringing in cheap labor. The reality is that most of them would be citizens if the immigration laws were created equal. You wouldn’t see that many people on visa if they didn’t have to stay on it for decades. People come from Europe all the time and become citizens, and you don’t say “ohh look at all these foreig…

You guys have no clue about US immigration system. There are equal green card quotas for each country, which is the main merit path to citizenship. Of course some countries have a huge population or huge demand for US visas, but that still means that green cards for that country are equal in number to green cards from other countries. And for example, there are a lot of countries in Africa. On the other hand, childre…

For small European country. I remember one my co-workers. He used to work in USA for some years, got green cards for himself and family, I think in months. Then returned here and simply just returned those cards.

The system truly isn't equal. And from outside is bit bizare.

Re: ‘Two years of lost immigration’ is responsible for half of missing workforce

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Post by aaomidi »

Ekaros wrote: post #94
cersei wrote: post #93

I don't think people want to come into the US anymore. The country has been in a serious decline since Bush Jr, and it's not going to be changed by a one or two terms of a democratic presidency. Even developing countries don't have the same issues with abortion rights, etc...

I don't think abortion rights are a big problem. But health-care, education both primary and later. Raising costs of living and housing. It is not exactly pretty picture from outside.

Abortion rights and healthcare is the same. For a lot of non Americans those two are the same thing and they’re both considered during immigration

Re: ‘Two years of lost immigration’ is responsible for half of missing workforce

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Post by akomtu »

cersei wrote: post #93

I don't think people want to come into the US anymore. The country has been in a serious decline since Bush Jr, and it's not going to be changed by a one or two terms of a democratic presidency. Even developing countries don't have the same issues with abortion rights, etc...

Abortion? I bet most of the immigrants watch the old american movies and imagine how they live in their own house with a green lawn. They chase the american dream.

Re: ‘Two years of lost immigration’ is responsible for half of missing workforce

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Post by podric »

j-bos wrote: post #48
podric wrote: post #31

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The idea that H-1B workers suppress US wages is a harmful myth that gets thrown around HN a lot. The study that supports the claim that the H-1B program suppresses US tech wages is about 20 years old, and no longer reflects the current reality. In fact, a 2017 Glassdoor study found that the wages of H-1B workers were 2.8% higher than their American counterparts: https://www.glassdoor.com/research/h1b-workers/ The US…

Perhaps it is a myth with no basis. That said, increased supply decreasing demand is usually the null case, yes? So I'd want to see evidence that additional workers do not supress wages.

I am not purporting that the H-1B program has no effect on tech wages, just that it has a negligible effect due to its small cap relative to the number of tech jobs available.

Any increase in labor supply would have some effect on the wage level in an industry.

Re: ‘Two years of lost immigration’ is responsible for half of missing workforce

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Post by Jensson »

ConceptJunkie wrote: post #42
feet wrote: post #38

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It's bigger than that, democrats currently just cry about how bad the Republicans are to get votes and donations then when they're in office they do nothing to fix anything.

That's funny (and I'm not disagreeing with you) because the Republicans are the same.

That isn't funny at all, the whole problem is that both parties are the same. They do the "bad cop good cop" routine, the cops are working for the same team.

Re: ‘Two years of lost immigration’ is responsible for half of missing workforce

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Post by Jensson »

aaomidi wrote: post #96
Ekaros wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think abortion rights are a big problem. But health-care, education both primary and later. Raising costs of living and housing. It is not exactly pretty picture from outside.

Abortion rights and healthcare is the same. For a lot of non Americans those two are the same thing and they’re both considered during immigration

Just move to a state where abortion is allowed and it isn't a problem, so it isn't like the healthcare issue at all.
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