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Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by seaal »

bigiain wrote: post #711
jrmg wrote: post #684

Musk on November 6th: My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/15894149585086914...

“I hope that even my worst critics remain on Twitter, because that’s what free speech means” —@elonmusk 20220425 https://twitter.com/artywah/status/1603592195046400000 (I don’t have a direct link to that tweet, but I’m confident that screenshot tweet isn’t faked.) Edit: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1518623997054918657

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1518623997054918657

The same day the $54.20 buyout was announced.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by smt88 »

calculatte wrote: post #671
barbariangrunge wrote: post #296

> Update: Musk just weighed in on the suspensions, characterizing them as intentional. “Same doxxing rules apply to “journalists” as to everyone else,” he tweeted in a reply. > It’s worth noting that the policy these accounts violated, a prohibition against sharing “live location information,” is only 24 hours old. It seems like a good rule, but in this case the application of the rule seems less impersonal than it c…

What is everyone up in arms for? This is a private company, so he can do whatever he wants. That is what everyone has been saying for years. I mean, it turns out they were wrong and Twitter was actually colluding with government agencies to bypass the first amendment. But censorship and targeted suspensions were defended tooth and nail by internet commenters. Is this a problem now only because people you like are tar…

> That is what everyone has been saying for years.

You're making a false equivalence between the left and the right on this topic.

The left has said that moderating online communities is legal because of the First Amendment. They're private companies. The right then called for an end to the First Amendment as we've known it by banning private companies from moderating their platforms.

There has been no such call from the left. The left (and this thread) laments what Elon is doing, but no one is saying he's breaking a law or that he should be breaking a law. No one is calling for the government to step in.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by lettergram »

ceejayoz wrote: post #499
lettergram wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So this is how Twitter goes out: not with a bang but with a seemingly endless stream of stories about the little ways Elon is ruining the service each day. He also brought back a ton of banned people … who were similarly banned without explanation. In this case, he needs to set rules and judges for his kingdom if he wants a certain group to keep using it. As an aside, one of the people banned was known to take clip…

> As an aside, one of the people banned was known to take clips out of context. Add commentary on top, and actively mislead people. Imo these aren’t journalists, they’re activists All of these things - mischaracterization, commentary, misinformation, activism - fall well within the "free speech" Musk said he'd be protecting, even if your assertions are true.

Certainly, I don’t think banning anyone is okay.

Musk isn’t actually doing anything but applying the already existing anti-doxing rules.

Project Veritas (also a “journalists”) was banned for over a year for accidentally having an address in one of their videos.

I think both cases are ridiculous, but the same journalists who were recently banned cheered veritas being banned.

No banning, anyone, for any reasons, besides direct threats - aka first amendment (I would argue real-time tracking is probably a threat, but idk)

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by memish »

jrmg wrote: post #684

Musk on November 6th: My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/15894149585086914...

That was the case until a stalker got close to his toddler. That clearly shook him and changed his mind. Now the account will come back with a delay.

He also changed his mind on free speech absolutism. He came around to the "freedom of speech is not freedom of reach" argument.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by hn_user2 »

narrator wrote: post #208

One thing that bugs me about the commentary here is that absolutely everything comes down to whether someone is mean or nice. It doesn't matter what they're saying, it's the TONE. Like we could all die fighting over the last gallon of gas in some burnt out hell world and it would be fine as long as everyone was nice to each other. It's like there is no past, there is no future, there is only the every present now and…

I think tone affects whether one wants to engage in disagreement. If I disagree with someone but they have an incredibly incendiary tone, I want nothing to do with a discourse.

If someone disagrees but has a rational tone, I am more willing to voice my disagreements.

For me, tone effects my engagement with opposition, not whether or not I oppose something.

I would argue that without the "mean" tone, people might stick around twitter and have a discourse about their disagreements, and with the "mean" tone people are more likely to just bail and complain outside the platform.

Obviously we don't have a control group, so we have nothing to compare what twitter is doing right now against something else directly.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by Laaas »

camjohnson26 wrote: post #716
bigiain wrote: post #711

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“I hope that even my worst critics remain on Twitter, because that’s what free speech means” —@elonmusk 20220425 https://twitter.com/artywah/status/1603592195046400000 (I don’t have a direct link to that tweet, but I’m confident that screenshot tweet isn’t faked.) Edit: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1518623997054918657

And in the 3 minute call where he popped onto a Twitter space tonight, he now says doxxing is zero tolerance and journalists aren't above the rules. But the alleged "doxxing" was the journalist doing nothing more than linking to the @elonjet account. @elonjet can be found on Mastodon at https://mastodon.social/@elonjet Incredibly, links to Mastodon instances are now flagged as a safety risk on Twitter. Video of the T…

Honestly, I was on the side that expected Twitter to get better (like pg), and have mostly not been against any of what he's done until now, but this seems like a bad decision all around.

I assume he got emotional because his child was involved, then did this in a fit of rage, and is now unable to admit that he was wrong. There is no way you can look at this and say what he did was right, no matter what political stance you have.

A newly created rule, the violation of which isn't clear either.

I suppose this is unavoidable if you give one person complete control over a platform. Perhaps it should be illegal for big social media platforms to have a shareholder with over 50% of the voting power.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by bongoman37 »

barbariangrunge wrote: post #296

> Update: Musk just weighed in on the suspensions, characterizing them as intentional. “Same doxxing rules apply to “journalists” as to everyone else,” he tweeted in a reply. > It’s worth noting that the policy these accounts violated, a prohibition against sharing “live location information,” is only 24 hours old. It seems like a good rule, but in this case the application of the rule seems less impersonal than it c…

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Post by wesapien »

bigiain wrote: post #711
jrmg wrote: post #684

Musk on November 6th: My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/15894149585086914...

“I hope that even my worst critics remain on Twitter, because that’s what free speech means” —@elonmusk 20220425 https://twitter.com/artywah/status/1603592195046400000 (I don’t have a direct link to that tweet, but I’m confident that screenshot tweet isn’t faked.) Edit: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1518623997054918657

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Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by trap_goes_hot »

jacquesm wrote: post #523
barbariangrunge wrote: post #296

> Update: Musk just weighed in on the suspensions, characterizing them as intentional. “Same doxxing rules apply to “journalists” as to everyone else,” he tweeted in a reply. > It’s worth noting that the policy these accounts violated, a prohibition against sharing “live location information,” is only 24 hours old. It seems like a good rule, but in this case the application of the rule seems less impersonal than it c…

No, he banned a bunch of journalists for doing their jobs .

The article states that given reason was "journalists had revealed private information about his family"

Your comment erroneously claims the reason was "for doing their jobs".

I'd recommend reading dang's comment since you have a lot of inflammatory comments in this thread.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34010908

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by Dma54rhs »

xracy wrote: post #696
calculatte wrote: post #671

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is everyone up in arms for? This is a private company, so he can do whatever he wants. That is what everyone has been saying for years. I mean, it turns out they were wrong and Twitter was actually colluding with government agencies to bypass the first amendment. But censorship and targeted suspensions were defended tooth and nail by internet commenters. Is this a problem now only because people you like are tar…

In a word, Hypocrisy. Everyone is up in arms for Hypocrisy. Musk's statement was that free speech would be allowed on Twitter. And yet, here he is chilling free speech. It's not surprising. It's just also really bad. So people are up in arms that they're losing a platform that, while by no means perfect, was better for free speech than it currently is.

And the "this is private" company folks are seething now private company doing private things. All these American political flights are so incredibly dumb.
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