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Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by hgdfhgdfhgdfbgf »

cmh89 wrote: post #520
c54 wrote: post #29

The wave of bans from the muskjet thing has been quite dramatic. It'll be interesting to see if the people who've been lauding musk for his supposedly pro free speech attitudes will reckon with what's been happening in actuality, or if they'll just accept this as "freedom for me but not for thee".

The people who cheered Musk for his "pro free speech" attitude don't actually believe or want free speech. They want free speech for themselves and censorship for people they don't like. See the terrorist attacks against Drag Queens.

How many journalists who didn't dox Musk's plane have been censored and suspended?

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Post by cmh89 »

asteroidbelt wrote: post #565
cmh89 wrote: post #520

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people who cheered Musk for his "pro free speech" attitude don't actually believe or want free speech. They want free speech for themselves and censorship for people they don't like. See the terrorist attacks against Drag Queens.

Did these "attack" include realtime doxxing? Especially after TOS modified to prohibit it? Or can you give other examples of disparity between free speech rule applications for themselves and people they don't like?

>Did these "attack" include realtime doxxing? Especially after TOS modified to prohibit it?

Posting public information publicly isn't doxxing and until you give up that falsehood, there isn't really anywhere the conversation can go.

Of course a free speech "absolutist" like Musk is a complete hypocrite for not allowing doxxing in the first place.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by jeswin »

Waterluvian wrote: post #461
jeswin wrote: post #446

While I don't agree with the bans, here's a counter argument. Will it be ok to ban someone if they tailed a car every day and live-posted the driver's location on Twitter? One can argue that someone with has a plane has more resources to protect themselves. At the same time, they face more threats too.

How often does it happen?

Very, very rarely. Both for planes and cars.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by cmh89 »

hgdfhgdfhgdfbgf wrote: post #571
cmh89 wrote: post #520

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people who cheered Musk for his "pro free speech" attitude don't actually believe or want free speech. They want free speech for themselves and censorship for people they don't like. See the terrorist attacks against Drag Queens.

How many journalists who didn't dox Musk's plane have been censored and suspended?

Posting public info isn't doxxing, sorry.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by richbell »

asteroidbelt wrote: post #565
cmh89 wrote: post #520

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people who cheered Musk for his "pro free speech" attitude don't actually believe or want free speech. They want free speech for themselves and censorship for people they don't like. See the terrorist attacks against Drag Queens.

Did these "attack" include realtime doxxing? Especially after TOS modified to prohibit it? Or can you give other examples of disparity between free speech rule applications for themselves and people they don't like?

It is disingenuous to call sharing publicly available information about an airplane's travel "realtime doxing".

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Post by yyyk »

jquery wrote: post #545
yyyk wrote: post #312

The underlying issue: Musk's incentives don't give him much reason to care if Twitter goes under. Musk likely feels he might as well push for any changes he likes, and gain whether Twitter survives or not. What was Musk's biggest bugbear about 'old' Twitter? The moderation system. If Twitter goes under, the only practical alternative at the moment is Mastodon, and Mastodon can't replicate Twitter's moderation due to…

Hate speech is far more tolerated on Twitter than on Mastadon. It’s not a free for all.

Doesn't that depend on the instance (with some not being as strict)? Regardless, such people could always decamp to their own servers - an option that was not available with Twitter. Also, volunteer instance admins will never have the resources Twitter has had to combat abuse.

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Post by lamontcg »

barbariangrunge wrote: post #296

> Update: Musk just weighed in on the suspensions, characterizing them as intentional. “Same doxxing rules apply to “journalists” as to everyone else,” he tweeted in a reply. > It’s worth noting that the policy these accounts violated, a prohibition against sharing “live location information,” is only 24 hours old. It seems like a good rule, but in this case the application of the rule seems less impersonal than it c…

Weirdly I'm almost on the other side of the whole doxxing issue.

We've established now that Elon really doesn't like it when people dox him, and all his right-leaning supporters are defending that.

Well, that's a precedent now for when minorities and vulnerable people who aren't billionaires are doxxed by right wing hate groups (e.g. Kiwifarms).

And radical free speech just got abruptly limited when it got personal.

The important point should be that the principle should be applied equally, particularly since groups like Kiwifarms are much worse than ElonJet.

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Post by sofixa »

m3kw9 wrote: post #201
browserman wrote: post #28

It remains very funny that he paid forty-five billion dollars for the privilege of humiliating himself daily with these petulant temper-tantrums. Amazing bit.

If you go out just a little bit not everyone hates him. Personally I think he hasn’t don’t anything overt yet. So he banned a few journalists, do you know why? No right? So why judge so early?

> Personally I think he hasn’t don’t anything overt yet

Like calling people risking their lives to save a bunch of kids pedophiles? Or using fascist dogwhistles?

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Post by CloudRecondite »

thinking4real wrote: post #175
CloudRecondite wrote: post #24

Is Musk revealing his true self or in the midst of some life crisis? He’s in a downward spiral that’s rapidly gaining speed.

“He’s in a downward spiral that’s rapidly gaining speed.” Yeah, he owns the worlds largest auto company, largest rocket company, and just threw down $40 billion to buy the worlds biggest social media company. Dude is in dire straights indeed.

Rich people go crazy all the time
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