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Stanford Free Classes – A review from a Stanford Student

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Re: Stanford Free Classes – A review from a Stanford Student

#31
tldr; The experts make it look impossible but the masters make it look easy and actually teach you

Just ranting out here so feel free to ignore :-)

This is not really aimed at the author but towards the "elite" group. There was another elite commentator in one of the other thread who said he dropped out of ML class because This course included gems such as "if you don't know what a derivative is, that is fine" and he thought math was important in ML. Before the ML class I could not even argue with these guys because I did not know squat about AI and talking to these experts their advice was to take a year off and learn math and then start learning AI which in my case was not possible. Today after a couple of months of online classes I am actually using ML in my daily work and its not magic that only the elite with deep profound math knowledge can use. Another programmer who is working in khan academy actually had a blog post about how he implemented ML by learning from Prof Andrew's class now that is real world impact. I may be missing something but can one of you experts please explain why you need deep math knowledge when the professor who has been doing a lot of research in this field a lot more than you does not think so ?. The professor in his classes keeps reassuring that even after using it for so many years he has difficulty in the subject but I'm guessing these experts know it all :-).

This is the reason in my opinion even though wall street is full of smart people they do not care about the rest of the population or the general masses the attitude is we are smart and we can do what we want you guys are dumb and deserve what you get and if someone outside of their elite group starts talking their language they do not like it.

On a similar note when you look at the people complaining about khan academy most of them are these so called smart people.

Let me talk about my background I have been working as a programmer for around 11 years , no math background though thought myself math by using Khan academy and before my layoff (now am working on my own startup ) used to make 90K (in a southern state).

So guys you are not the center of the world we are crashing into your fraternity you are no longer the only experts who can talk about ML , the guys at stanford are smarter than you and know what they are doing and FYI they don't need you its the other way around. Another interesting thing is that mostly the current students seem to agree with the author, If you are smart you should probably take the effort to learn more rather than asking them to tailor the classes to what you think matters . Also ask yourself this question if you were the Professor what do you think is more satisfying teaching 40 full time students or 20000 who are in the field already and make more impact in the field ?.

Re: Stanford Free Classes – A review from a Stanford Student

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post #4

I think there's a great opportunity to take online classes to the masses without sacrificing the quality of a brick and mortar education. These classes don't need to be offered free, just cheap. If they charged $10 for the whole class (a steal really!) they'd make $1,000,000 a semester per class. That should pay for the bandwidth, and teacher, and material. Scale that to less niche classes, you have a real business!…

I think your math is a little off, 100K signed up for the AI class, only 40K actually turned in a HW, guessing that less than 20K actually finished, guessing none of the classes this spring will have anything close to that enrollment

This was an initial experiment so I am pretty sure they will change the format a little bit later. lots of people signed up for all the classes and it was difficult to do all the three at the same time but if given the option of doing it at your own pace I do not think it will go down.

Re: Stanford Free Classes – A review from a Stanford Student

#33

It's been over twenty years since I finished college. Last year I did a "certificate in quantitative finance" at UW which -- like the Stanford classes -- were both online and seemingly aimed at working professionals. It's interesting to compare these on three fronts: 1) The amount of rigor and work required for the Stanford classes was significantly less than the UW classes. I spent as much as 10 hours per week on th…

Were you a quant before you took the UW classes?

Nope. My background is in engineering so the calculus wasn't an issue, but my stats knowledge was really weak.

Re: Stanford Free Classes – A review from a Stanford Student

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post #6

According to the website http://cs229a.stanford.edu/ there are class meetings, according to the blogpost everything is done solitary? Another difference with the course offered to the public is that there is an open ended project. If he really wanted a harder class, why not take CS229 and not CS229A... If you want something to be harder, to get more out of something you should pursue it yourself, not depend on others…

Class meetings were optional (which I did attend) and only a fraction of the students actually attended. I don't have a problem with cs229a being easier than 229, but the thing is a lot of other classes have now turned to the online format with no alternative (like 229 to 229a). Selfstudy is great, but sometimes the best way to learn is from a structured class.

Selfstudy is great, but sometimes the best way to learn is from a structured class Well lots of people might like to be treated like grown ups and not like the structured classes and who knows they might even write a letter asking for refund

Re: Stanford Free Classes – A review from a Stanford Student

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My impression was that the course was designed to give someone with little or no background in machine learning a maximally useful amount of practically relevant information given a multitude of constraints (ergo the focus on Andrew Ng's favourite implementation tricks of the trade, learning curves &c.; each of dozens of such nuggets having the potential to save days, weeks or even months in real projects).

If that was indeed the goal, the endeavour should, in my opinion, be considered an amazing success.

An easy way to make the assignments harder (and maybe more fulfilling), if you have the time, might be to ignore much of the handholding (e.g. by porting everything to a very different programming environment).

Ideally, online courses like that would be "infinite" and personalized, giving everyone as much depth (and breadth!) as desired (with a "baseline" approximately equal to the 2011 class) and taking existing knowledge into account.

Eventually, we'll all get our Primer!

Re: Stanford Free Classes – A review from a Stanford Student

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post #20

My degree is in Fine Art, and I thought the class was pointlessly easy. Fix the class in two easy steps: Lecture live, record the lectures. EVERY speaker is more effective when they have the feedback of their audience's faces. Expect the members of the public to meet the class' standard, don't shrivel the curriculum to match the public. An applied CS course that doesn't demand programming is bizarre. Flunk everyone i…

I completely disagree, recorded lectures are nowhere as nice as the stuff that kahn and stanford are pushing out.

Re: Stanford Free Classes – A review from a Stanford Student

#37

Put down the pen. MIT, Stanford, et.al. have already done the math on this. 20,000 "certification" exams @ $99.00 each is not insignificant. It's just shy of 40 full-time students @ $50,000 per year. Heats a lot of buildings.

Principles be damned, there is money to be made!

Really principles be damned, they are doing it for free

Re: Stanford Free Classes – A review from a Stanford Student

#38
post #4

I think there's a great opportunity to take online classes to the masses without sacrificing the quality of a brick and mortar education. These classes don't need to be offered free, just cheap. If they charged $10 for the whole class (a steal really!) they'd make $1,000,000 a semester per class. That should pay for the bandwidth, and teacher, and material. Scale that to less niche classes, you have a real business!…

I think your math is a little off, 100K signed up for the AI class, only 40K actually turned in a HW, guessing that less than 20K actually finished, guessing none of the classes this spring will have anything close to that enrollment

You pay at the beginning. Whether you finish or not does not change how much you make.

Re: Stanford Free Classes – A review from a Stanford Student

#39

Put down the pen. MIT, Stanford, et.al. have already done the math on this. 20,000 "certification" exams @ $99.00 each is not insignificant. It's just shy of 40 full-time students @ $50,000 per year. Heats a lot of buildings.

Principles be damned, there is money to be made!

I don't mean to imply that schools should be in it for the $$$. I get your point. But costs are an issue. A big issue. And right now student tuitions shoulder a large part of that burden.

Stanford's total enrollment is about 20,000 students. $35,000 per year = $700,000,000.

Offer 16 new online courses which yields 20,000 students per course taking a $99 final exam. $31,680,000. Less than 5% of annual tuition-based revenue. That's a new library without hitting the endowment fund, underwriting existing salaries, funding pension obligations, or adding a new facility dedicated solely to the production of online educational content.

I think Leland and Jane Stanford would be proud to know that the memorial they built to their son is today moving in the direction of educating millions worldwide.

It's okay to "be strong and stay strong and while being of benefit to others."

Re: Stanford Free Classes – A review from a Stanford Student

#40
post #29

There is no reason that there could not be a graduated difficulty for these classes. Example: The 'level 1' or 'core' videos and assignments can be a base and offered for free and be of a similar duration and difficulty as the class now... 'Level 2' would either replace or augment the 'level 1' and would be more advanced and require some knowledge of pre-requisites and more 'synthesis' or 'critical' style assignments…

> There is no reason that there could not be a graduated difficulty for these classes. Of course there is. These classes are provided for free, yet require time and money and effort. You've likely more than tripled the required resources to produce the class.

There is no reason that the most difficult grades must be open to the public for free. Slap a paywall on it, a "With Student ID" bypass, and call it a day.
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