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Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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Post by geraneum »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #70
librish wrote: post #39

A question for vaccine skeptics: For it to be a reasonable choice to not want to take the vaccine wouldn't you need to balance the risk of death / complications from the vaccine against the risk of death / complications from covid multiplied by the risk of getting covid? There seems to be a lot of "aha I knew it" whenever any side-effect of the vaccine is found, but aren't the side-effects of covid well established,…

> but aren't the side-effects of covid well established, on average more severe, and much more common? You forgot to account for the risk of getting the virus. If you choose to get the vaccine, the probability is 1. But what's the probability of getting Covid? Definitely less than 1. For certain age groups (young men), the risk of complications * probability of getting the vaccine (1) was more than the risk of compli…

> If you choose to get the vaccine, the probability is 1

Curiously, probability of what specifically is 1 in that case? I am assuming by 1 you mean 100%, right?

Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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Post by putnambr »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #70
librish wrote: post #39

A question for vaccine skeptics: For it to be a reasonable choice to not want to take the vaccine wouldn't you need to balance the risk of death / complications from the vaccine against the risk of death / complications from covid multiplied by the risk of getting covid? There seems to be a lot of "aha I knew it" whenever any side-effect of the vaccine is found, but aren't the side-effects of covid well established,…

> but aren't the side-effects of covid well established, on average more severe, and much more common? You forgot to account for the risk of getting the virus. If you choose to get the vaccine, the probability is 1. But what's the probability of getting Covid? Definitely less than 1. For certain age groups (young men), the risk of complications * probability of getting the vaccine (1) was more than the risk of compli…

From OC:

> wouldn't you need to balance the risk of death / complications from the vaccine against the risk of death / complications from covid multiplied by the risk of getting covid?

For certain demographics the probability of getting infected might be that low, but at least in every social young adult I know, the risk is averaged to well over 1.0. I've been infected twice, before and after the jab, and in both cases the infection was worse (months of recovery, VO2Max reduction) than the acute vaccine side effects (weekend of feeling shitty). Pre-vaccine I'd say it took around 5 months to fully feel recovered, e.g. able to run a 4-miler without feeling like passing out, where-as post-vaccine and prior infection I was well recovered at the 6-week mark.

Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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Post by joshuahedlund »

pianoben wrote: post #93

> Standardized autopsies were performed on 25 persons who had died unexpectedly and within 20 days after anti-SARS-CoV-2 vaccination. Sample size of 25 out of a population of... how many tens of millions of young (EDIT: not actually young) men? Seems quite small, and perhaps not sufficient to draw any conclusions. I wonder what the results will show... > myocarditis is another manifestation reported during SARS-CoV-2…

> out of 25 young men

These were not young men

> Three of the deceased persons were women, two men. Median age at death was 58 years (range 46–75 years).

Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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Post by burner990 »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #85
burner990 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My employer wouldn't let me go to the office or even any offsites or outdoor actives (i.e. a picnic) until very recently. (Despite my approved religious exemption and "requiring" all employees to work in the office). If that isn't coercion to take an experimental vaccine i don't know what is.

Seems reasonable to me. They want everyone to be at the office and vaccinated, but they’re not allowed to fire you because “religion”, so they made special accommodations to let you continue working without making all of their other employees have to be around you. You appear to be mad that your “exemption” wasn’t enough to make them pretend you were vaccinated?

But no accommodation to go to the company (outdoor) events and hear talks from the executives?

> You appear to be mad that your “exemption” wasn’t enough to make them pretend you were vaccinated?

I had blood test proof of antibodies but its just about "feel goods".

And they didn't require boosters, just the first 2 doses from over a year ago, so yes its non-sensical and purely political (not based on science).

Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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Post by CorrectHorseBat »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #70
librish wrote: post #39

A question for vaccine skeptics: For it to be a reasonable choice to not want to take the vaccine wouldn't you need to balance the risk of death / complications from the vaccine against the risk of death / complications from covid multiplied by the risk of getting covid? There seems to be a lot of "aha I knew it" whenever any side-effect of the vaccine is found, but aren't the side-effects of covid well established,…

> but aren't the side-effects of covid well established, on average more severe, and much more common? You forgot to account for the risk of getting the virus. If you choose to get the vaccine, the probability is 1. But what's the probability of getting Covid? Definitely less than 1. For certain age groups (young men), the risk of complications * probability of getting the vaccine (1) was more than the risk of compli…

It's been only 3 years and basically everyone I know has had COVID, some more than once. I don't think it's significantly less than 1.

Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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Post by theteapot »

gfodor wrote: post #12

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I really do believe myocarditis is an issue with the mRNA vaccines, but how can you claim both "Many died" and "First we need an accurate death count"? How do you know many died if there is not an accurate count?

Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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Post by criddell »

uoflcards22 wrote: post #27

As someone who did choose to get the latest booster despite being a young male (highest risk group for myocarditis I believe), we should always be questioning what we put in our bodies.

> we should always be questioning what we put in our bodies

If we did a better job of that, health problems associated with obesity, smoking, drinking, etc... would be reduced and that would have a pretty big impact on cardiovascular health too.

Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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Post by hammock »

pianoben wrote: post #93

> Standardized autopsies were performed on 25 persons who had died unexpectedly and within 20 days after anti-SARS-CoV-2 vaccination. Sample size of 25 out of a population of... how many tens of millions of young (EDIT: not actually young) men? Seems quite small, and perhaps not sufficient to draw any conclusions. I wonder what the results will show... > myocarditis is another manifestation reported during SARS-CoV-2…

>the authors offer no real ideas about how the damage could have happened

They do, though. In fact that's the entirely novel value that this study brings. It's in the title: "histopathological characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination." That's a lot of words that means "we can now tell you exactly what microscopic tissue looks like following lethal jab-associated myocarditis.”

And the scientists discuss how it happens. For your benefit, I'll describe it here.

These mRNA-vaccinated patients suffered from heart damage because their hearts were attacked by their own immune cells. The mRNA is injected into your muscle cells, turning the cell into a factory producing COVID-19 spike proteins. As a result of the mRNA immunization, your body generates an immune response against COVID-19 spike proteins. Since your own muscle cells were used to make the COVID-19 spike proteins and may have them on the cell surface, your newly-weaponized immune cells targeting the spike protein may start attacking your own healthy muscle cells. This autoimmune attack on their own heart cells then leads to their damaged hearts beating so many times per second that, once the tachycardia unexpectedly started, they died in minutes.

This new German study shows photographic evidence that this happens and has killed people

Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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Post by gfodor »

nluken wrote: post #65

"Interestingly, we recorded inflammatory foci predominantly in the right heart, which may suggest a gradual blood-stream derived dilution effect and based on this finding it is at least tempting to speculate that inadvertent intravascular vaccine injection may be contributive." Does this indicate that the authors believe aspirating the vaccine during administration would reduce the risk of myocarditis? I don't have a…

For a long time this theory always made the most sense to me, and frankly I assume I must just be missing something since it’s so obviously criminal if there was a chance this was true that it wasn’t blasted from the rooftops from the CDC (for the public to help correct it when they got their vaccine.)

Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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Post by [deleted] »

pianoben wrote: post #93

> Standardized autopsies were performed on 25 persons who had died unexpectedly and within 20 days after anti-SARS-CoV-2 vaccination. Sample size of 25 out of a population of... how many tens of millions of young (EDIT: not actually young) men? Seems quite small, and perhaps not sufficient to draw any conclusions. I wonder what the results will show... > myocarditis is another manifestation reported during SARS-CoV-2…

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