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Re: Would Obama Veto SOPA? Extremely Doubtful

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Post by gonehome » Wed, Dec 28, 2011, 2:41 PM UTC

TomOfTTB wrote: post #13

jonursenbach wrote: post #10

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Plagarist?

Biden was knocked out of contention for the Democratic Nomination in 1988 because he copied a speech delivered by British Politician a year earlier (and even went so far as to fudge his own familly history a bit to make the copied lines work) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden_presidential_campaign...

That hardly seems like plagiarism, more paraphrasing and even then it isn't like he took the entire speech - just a basic idea and two sentences (which he apparently cited everywhere except once).

Re: Would Obama Veto SOPA? Extremely Doubtful

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Post by RyanMcGreal » Wed, Dec 28, 2011, 3:08 PM UTC

jberryman wrote: post #28

vectorpush wrote: post #9

leading into what may be a difficult election year, and dependent on money from Hollywood and unions (the big Democratic funders), this is an easy call. There is no way that Obama hasn't taken the temperature on SOPA by now. Obama's most vocal liberal base will transform into an internet hate machine to rival the likes of the tea party if SOPA is signed. There is also the Ron Paul crew capturing more and more Democra…

> I don't underestimate the influence of these interests in Washington, but SOPA is really unpopular right now and getting more so by the day. I think it's really unpopular on HN and on websites with "tech" in the name, but is the general electorate even aware of the issue? I don't see much about SOPA in the MSM (admittedly the last several months have had a lot of news-worthy events).

Purely anecdotal, but I have had a number of totally non-technical friends and acquaintances come up to me lately to express concerns about SOPA/PIPA and what it might mean for the internet, the critical importance of which even non-technical people clearly understand.

Re: Would Obama Veto SOPA? Extremely Doubtful

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Post by chc » Wed, Dec 28, 2011, 4:54 PM UTC

jerf wrote: post #38

abjr wrote: post #23

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I agree. They are frustratingly quiet. Any ideas why?

Increased regulatory compliance costs plays to the advantage of existing big players. The government won't really let Google or Facebook be destroyed. DuckDuckGo or Diaspora? No tears shed. Losing some profit today to know that you just raised the bar of entry for your industry impossibly high for everybody else? A hard offer to resist.

What? Google is one of the few companies that's actually come out swinging against SOPA. I would wager they've done more to defeat it than any other company or individual with a presence on HN.

Re: Would Obama Veto SOPA? Extremely Doubtful

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Post by anamax » Wed, Dec 28, 2011, 6:22 PM UTC

vectorpush wrote: post #9

leading into what may be a difficult election year, and dependent on money from Hollywood and unions (the big Democratic funders), this is an easy call. There is no way that Obama hasn't taken the temperature on SOPA by now. Obama's most vocal liberal base will transform into an internet hate machine to rival the likes of the tea party if SOPA is signed. There is also the Ron Paul crew capturing more and more Democra…

> Obama's most vocal liberal base will transform into an internet hate machine to rival the likes of the tea party if SOPA is signed.

Unless they're willing to vote for his opponent, and they're not, that doesn't matter.

Politicians are only interested in things that affect votes. Signing SOPA will not lose Obama a single state. However, signing it will give him money to win states.

The Repubs are the ones who are playing this one dumb. They should oppose SOPA and all "protect Hollywood/MPAA" measures because those measures give money to folks who contribute to Dems.

Re: Would Obama Veto SOPA? Extremely Doubtful

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Post by jerf » Thu, Dec 29, 2011, 1:09 AM UTC

chc wrote: post #53

jerf wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Increased regulatory compliance costs plays to the advantage of existing big players. The government won't really let Google or Facebook be destroyed. DuckDuckGo or Diaspora? No tears shed. Losing some profit today to know that you just raised the bar of entry for your industry impossibly high for everybody else? A hard offer to resist.

What? Google is one of the few companies that's actually come out swinging against SOPA. I would wager they've done more to defeat it than any other company or individual with a presence on HN.

And I count that to their credit, as I do for the other companies who have fought this. I count it to their credit because it is no credit to resist a temptation not offered to you; my opposition to SOPA is easy, because I do not stand to gain from it. They are actually resisting something. But the answer to the question asked is, even if it appears to harm certain other companies, it's still to their benefit if it harms others even more, and that's why we're not hearing from them very much.

Re: Would Obama Veto SOPA? Extremely Doubtful

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Post by functionoid » Mon, Jan 02, 2012, 12:51 AM UTC

cowkingdeluxe wrote: post #29

functionoid wrote: post #19

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Yep second that. Last election he ran on transparency, change and hope. And as three years went by there was no transparency in billions of dollars (TARP) given to big corporations. Change? yeah sure, for worse. And he does not talk about hope any more, since millions of Americans does no have job and economy is not even getting better. In this campaign he is all about class warfare, soak the rich taxes. Do we even c…

Come on now, don't misuse facts. TARP was executed in 2008 and most of it was paid off by the end of 2009. Obama became president in jan 2009.

You mean to say Bush bailed out GM, Citibank, AIG and other long list of companies??? Please at least know a little about the subject before you jump in to comment.