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>> which she sees violations to the Constitution If she disgrees then she should organize and conduct a legal protest.
Legally, this was a legal protest.
How was it legal?
'TSA Arrests Me for Using the Fourth Amendment as a Weapon'
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#102This isn't just a DailyKos story about the TSA on the front page of HN. It's a stupid DailyKos story on the front page of HN. It actually demeans well-reasoned, carefully-considered strong objections to the TSA by presenting a categorically bogus objection. Here's a person who's memorized the 4th Amendment without actually learning what it means, yelling it at the airport in a one-person demonstration, and then doing…
Thanks I just flagged it too. I'm not sure what that means, I hope it means this is a BS article and let's get back to the stuff that puts food on our tables.
Your comment was very articulate thanks.
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
> PEOPLE HAVE TO STAND UP FOR WHAT THEY THINK IS RIGHT. > Even if the effect it has seems insignificant. If a common civilian wishes to help, she can probably find a better way than standing up to some scripted peons. I wonder what her court costs are going to be. I wish she had donated that money to the EFF. The EFF is in a better position to fight this stuff intelligently, and at the right levels.
> If a common civilian wishes to help, she can probably find a better way than standing up to some scripted peons. Rosa Parks?
Different situation, different level of public sympathy, different level of justifiability based on the shared ethical views of the people. Basically, the situations are not analogous.
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If a common civilian wishes to help, she can probably find a better way than standing up to some scripted peons. Rosa Parks?
Different situation, different level of public sympathy, different level of justifiability based on the shared ethical views of the people. Basically, the situations are not analogous.
Analogies aren't copies.
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
Different situation, different level of public sympathy, different level of justifiability based on the shared ethical views of the people. Basically, the situations are not analogous.
Analogies aren't copies.
But sometimes they are useful, and sometimes they are so far off the mark they add very little to the conversation.
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#106Very important read for all of us. I now sit hear wondering what I can do - what we can do - to help our country. We are in a scary place.
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
> PEOPLE HAVE TO STAND UP FOR WHAT THEY THINK IS RIGHT. > Even if the effect it has seems insignificant. If a common civilian wishes to help, she can probably find a better way than standing up to some scripted peons. I wonder what her court costs are going to be. I wish she had donated that money to the EFF. The EFF is in a better position to fight this stuff intelligently, and at the right levels.
> If a common civilian wishes to help, she can probably find a better way than standing up to some scripted peons. Rosa Parks?
I wish I could upvote this again and again.
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
Note that the American disapproval rating of congress sits at 86% and an approval of 11% and dropping (Gallup polls).
I call bullshit on that poll. People are not morons. If disapproval rating at congress was so high according to a representative poll group, then why aren't people voting in people that they do approve of? House terms are short. Senate terms are long but I don't think this 86% number would have happened overnight.
Remember that a good bit of disapproval is of "the other guy". It's very easy to disapprove of congress as a whole, but continue to vote in your own incumbent because the bacon they bring back is for /you/. The bacon everyone else brings back is "wasteful".
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> And you're saying "shame on her for refusing a search"? No, I'm not. I'm saying that if you think that reciting the 4th amendment when going through TSA is relevant, that relevance would lead a reasonable person to believe that she was resisting the search. I mention relevance because commenters are suggesting that reciting the 4th amendment is meaningful in a way that reciting jabberwocky would not have been.
OF COURSE it's meaningful in a way that reciting jabberwocky would not have been. Reading the part of the constitution which protects people from unreasonable searches without probable cause, while being forced to undergo a search without probable cause. If it's still unclear how the amendment is meaningful in this situation, I'm going to ask that you go re-read the original article, then "letters from birmingham jai…
That being the case, her treatment was for resisting the search, not reciting the constitution. Reciting the constitution was merely how she resisted the search.
I'm not claiming that the amendment is not meaningful. I'm pointing out how the amendment's meaning is relevant to what happened. The original article makes it clear that the reciter didn't understand that relevance.
BTW I haven't written anything about the legitimacy of TSA searches so your presumptions along those lines are unfounded and insulting. And, before you presume to teach me something, learn the difference between recite and read. (Hint - she did the former, not the latter.)