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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by sethd »

mach1ne wrote: post #787
gregoriol wrote: post #751

The thing he actually doesn't want everyone to realise is that he is a dumbass billionaire who goes on costly trips all the time. As soon as the world sees him as the kiddo who happens to have whims and does whatever he want with the mass of money he has (he bought twitter just for fun?), his aura will be over.

Why has even HN comment field lowered to nothing but blind hate? Say what you want but the man has reformed rocket technology and jumpstarted the world's shift to electrical vehicles, both against all odds. Hate-takes like this are silly.

It’s not blind hate. People see the man for what he is, a douche bag and a charlatan, and are calling his behavior out. His luck in this world (and he has been incredibly lucky) is irrelevant.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by rmellow »

nathell wrote: post #797
mach1ne wrote: post #787

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why has even HN comment field lowered to nothing but blind hate? Say what you want but the man has reformed rocket technology and jumpstarted the world's shift to electrical vehicles, both against all odds. Hate-takes like this are silly.

No he hasn’t. The collective work of employees of companies he has stake in has.

Agreed. Surely the workers would have gotten together on their own, pooled their resources and achieved at least as much as they have if it weren't for Musk.

/s

Seriously, this is just blind hate. He's a deeply flawed individual and I definitely think he's a jerk, but he's at least he's taking risk on creating something actually new.

The richest people I know made money on "safe" industries like civil engineering and plastic bag manufacturing.

Pushing the aerospace industry? Challenging the petrol status quo by making EVs viable? Credit where credit is due, he put in the investment and pushed people to make it happen. Obviously not single handedly, but surely accelerated it.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by supergirl »

I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing with Elon.

BUT that's some extremely bitter irony he experienced. He was proud to describe himself as a "free speech absolutist", meaning he's ready to allow controversial, offensive discussions that are on the limit of legality. He even said he will allow this jet tracker bot, to show what a cool guy he is. But now reality happened for him and he probably expected reality only applies to other people.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by thulle »

throw0101c wrote: post #808
mach1ne wrote: post #787

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Why has even HN comment field lowered to nothing but blind hate? Say what you want but the man has reformed rocket technology and jumpstarted the world's shift to electrical vehicles, both against all odds. Hate-takes like this are silly.

> Say what you want but the man has reformed rocket technology and jumpstarted the world's shift to electrical vehicles, both against all odds. And now he is helping to spread racism and anti-semititsm: * https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3709609-racist-antisem... It's possible to think he has done good things in the past, but is doing bad things in the present. And to believe/worry that his present (and future)…

Adding to the "Too many of the good things he’s done seem to be despite him." - there was this tumblr post that passed by here on HN by someone who claimed to've been an intern on Space-X:

https://www.tumblr.com/numberonecatwinner/701567544684855296...

I never understood the point of the cake story, and it all might be total BS, but the longer this current saga goes on the harder it is to totally disregard the bit about "managing Elon".

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Post by paulgb »

tomcam wrote: post #809
paulgb wrote: post #798

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I do give him credit for those things, but the guy is one of the most powerful people in the world and uses that power to bully. He keeps using his position of power to punch down at people who usually don’t deserve it. It’s petty and pathetic. For example, twitter’s former head of trust and safety had to leave his home recently because Musk told his fawning followers that he was a pedophile. It’s not even the first…

> For example, twitter’s former head of trust and safety had to leave his home recently because Musk told his fawning followers that he was a pedophile. Uh no. He simply posted a screenshot from the guy’s thesis.

Don’t you see the irony here, though?

When a very powerful man with a large following “just posts a screenshot”, he is supposed to be unaccountable for the actions his followers take, even if his additional context dog-whistles to his fans that the guy is a pedo.

When a relative nobody “just posts already-public information about a physical object”, suddenly that’s not just worthy of a ban, but of a nuisance lawsuit.

https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/dy79wm/elon-musk-yoel-ro...

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Post by inglor_cz »

stevefan1999 wrote: post #799
nathell wrote: post #797

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No he hasn’t. The collective work of employees of companies he has stake in has.

Agreed. The workers provided value for him. He decided to take it all

Was there ever a successful collective of the kind that the Left dreams about?

If not, doesn't it indicate that CEOs are pretty important in the business scheme of things?

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Post by shapefrog »

ceejayoz wrote: post #825
oblio wrote: post #814

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> I don't care about costly trips. I mean, he has billions and works a lot. Spending a million here and million there is pretty frugal compared to some other people who need to prove their worth by upping each other on who has the largest yacht in the world. > What I do care about, though, is hypocrisy. Turns out, you should care about both. First of all, his private jet costs as much as a yacht, plus he doesn't own…

Renting yachts seems like a great mitigation to me. One yacht can service dozens of billionaires' 1-2 week vacations without sitting around in port useless 90% of the time.

If it flies, floats or f**ks - rent it.

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Post by jxf »

oblio wrote: post #814
twawaaay wrote: post #777

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I don't care about costly trips. I mean, he has billions and works a lot. Spending a million here and million there is pretty frugal compared to some other people who need to prove their worth by upping each other on who has the largest yacht in the world. What I do care about, though, is hypocrisy.

> I don't care about costly trips. I mean, he has billions and works a lot. Spending a million here and million there is pretty frugal compared to some other people who need to prove their worth by upping each other on who has the largest yacht in the world. > What I do care about, though, is hypocrisy. Turns out, you should care about both. First of all, his private jet costs as much as a yacht, plus he doesn't own…

Is it just me or does $7,000/day actually sound very cheap? That's the nightly rate of, say, the nicest suite in a top-end hotel, but for a whole yacht. Maybe that doesn't include crew (besides the skipper, which the article says is included), fuel, food, etc.?

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Post by arrrg »

jamiegreen wrote: post #822
axlee wrote: post #795

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You should care about his costly trips. As an individual, he is wrecking the environment at a rate a thousandfold of the average person.

As an individual, he has probably had net positive environmental impact than the next 1m people combined.

Jury‘s still out on that, mostly because it‘s still up for debate whether replacing gas cars 1:1 with electric cars is a good idea.

I don’t doubt that we actually need electric cars, the important question is just whether that’s all we need or whether we need other transformations (radically fewer cars and less space for cars in cities, for example).

This second goal is something Elon has actively worked against, for example with his Hyperloop bullshit.

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Post by throwawaaarrgh »

mach1ne wrote: post #787
gregoriol wrote: post #751

The thing he actually doesn't want everyone to realise is that he is a dumbass billionaire who goes on costly trips all the time. As soon as the world sees him as the kiddo who happens to have whims and does whatever he want with the mass of money he has (he bought twitter just for fun?), his aura will be over.

Why has even HN comment field lowered to nothing but blind hate? Say what you want but the man has reformed rocket technology and jumpstarted the world's shift to electrical vehicles, both against all odds. Hate-takes like this are silly.

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