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A circuit simulator that doesn't look like it was made in 2003

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Re: A circuit simulator that doesn't look like it was made in 2003

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The competition might look ancient, but IMO, a 2D interface would be much more productive and easier to work with. This site is completely unusable for me in Firefox (it does work in Edge though).

The tools with origins >2003 are pretty useless beyond making things out of prefab parts. That’s cool for beginner stuff, but I feel like we’re dropping people off a cliff from there. Most are really just sales platforms for parts or PCBs. My workflow is a complicated combination of LTSpice, KiCAD, prototyping from the schematic and then ordering PCBs. It’s a little painful, but the tools are fast to use. I wish KiCA…

The demo lets me choose "PNP transistor" or "NPN transistor", and that's it for transistors.

Re: A circuit simulator that doesn't look like it was made in 2003

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This illustrates a problem with many "modern" applications. My first impression: "Oh, that looks nice. Looks like in real life". Then I tried using it and found that it is clunky and slow to the point it is barely usable and I would much faster build the real circuit on a real breadboard instead.

I'd like to see a study done of this kind of application, but removing all slowness. Perhaps you could run it on a $10k gaming rig, or pre-render all interactions or something to make all reactions instant.

That should inform us of the real value of a lifelike 3D UI, separately from the effects of the jankiness that normally accompany them.

Re: A circuit simulator that doesn't look like it was made in 2003

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The competition might look ancient, but IMO, a 2D interface would be much more productive and easier to work with. This site is completely unusable for me in Firefox (it does work in Edge though).

Yea, the whole "looks old = bad" meme rears its head again. Some of the most usable web sites in existence like Craigslist and McMaster-Carr look "old" but they do what you need them to do and do it cross-platform/cross-browser.

I would add Hacker News itself as a great example.

Re: A circuit simulator that doesn't look like it was made in 2003

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Is this some Gen Z meme? Like if its look old, it must be bad? I cringed a lot on this website. Clunky AF.

I don't think it is specific to Gen Z - it is common for any young people to seek novelty for the sake of novelty (and have bias against anything old). To some extent it is an implementation of explore-exploit strategy - one can try many different things when young and then settle on best seen things becoming older.

The problem is that we cannot have usable GUI because GUI designers just cannot stop trying new things inflicting on everyone constant churn.

Re: A circuit simulator that doesn't look like it was made in 2003

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As someone who teaches electronics to people who are purely into it for the practical parts (artists) I think one of the main beginner challenges in electronics is the translation between the different representations of a circuit. Going from a schematic to a breadboard, going from a breadboard to a stripboard or from a schematic to the actual PCB/IC is hard if you never have done it. It is like showing someone who h…

The best tool I ever used to learn about circuits was a Radio Shack electronics kit. It was something I could pick away at for years as kid, and eventually develop an intuitive sense for reading a schematic. I believe that Elenco continues to make a version of it: https://shop.elenco.com/consumers/electronic-playground-130....

Completely agree. This was my first practical kit. I bought one recently from John Lewis in the UK and they are very under-rated. A few $ worth of components but most importantly, a neat paper booklet with a tonne of example circuits including how to wire them on the spring posts.

I would always recommend this as a start for young children before then going back to some theory and "why did this circuit behave this way"

Re: A circuit simulator that doesn't look like it was made in 2003

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Would be cool if it worked, unfortunately the "Hello World" (pressing the button to toggle the LED) already fails on my rather high-end system (and Firefox). Surely there is room for optimization as well.

In terms of usability, the value I see is from being able to immediately recognize the various physical parts that one might find in their Arduino starter toolbox. For actual editing, I would prefer a different interface however.

Re: A circuit simulator that doesn't look like it was made in 2003

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea, the whole "looks old = bad" meme rears its head again. Some of the most usable web sites in existence like Craigslist and McMaster-Carr look "old" but they do what you need them to do and do it cross-platform/cross-browser.

I would add Hacker News itself as a great example.

Indeed. Hacker news is about as responsive as the native site.

Reddit on the other hand went to being completely unusable. So much so, that I don't understand who and what motivates it to be the way it is. It's having on due to "old.reddit", but that too is a pain to use on mobile.

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