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Re: Handwritten complaint to the court by alleged CIA Vault 7 leaker

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Post by drewcoo »

themodelplumber wrote: post #8
zppln wrote: post #3

Seems like it's supposedly written by this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Schulte

Let's say all the charges on that page are true, and on the other side, take even half the allegations in his letter seriously...still, why are we treating a prisoner like this? Is it helping something?

He was known to be edgy, anger easily, and tended toward crackpot behavior.

From all outward appearances, the CIA wants to break him. This would not seem unusual for them.

Wikipedia has a barebones overview. I'd probably ignore the child porn allegations - that's a common way to smear folks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Schulte

Re: Handwritten complaint to the court by alleged CIA Vault 7 leaker

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Post by vintermann »

sschueller wrote: post #16

Maybe this helps Assange from not getting extradited since this is clearly against international law and many places will not extradite you to a place that commits theses kind of crimes against it's prisoners.

UK has made it very clear that they are not among these places.

They're going along with the abuse, with all the subtlety of an 8 year old girl bully. "Oh, you thought we would care about such things as honesty and decency when it came to you?"

Anyone who's followed the Assange case has seen that little game played out over and over: give him a faint hope that the nightmare will end, then snatch it away with a smirk.

Re: Handwritten complaint to the court by alleged CIA Vault 7 leaker

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

nneonneo wrote: post #5

Primary source: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6359557/979/united-stat... (maybe the URL could be changed to this?) Schulte's lawyer then filed this response to the court: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6359557/980/united-stat... > Immediately upon receiving the Court’s Order and the two letters sent to the Court by Mr. Schulte, I tried to contact the BOP. I telephoned the legal department. No one answere…

> I asked the government for a copy of those emails and also asked that they copy Mr. Schulte’s counsel on future emails between the BOP and the government about our client’s medical issues. The request, I made clear, was limited to being copied on emails regarding Mr. Schulte’s health and the BOP’s response to the medical issues. The government refused to do so. I note that defense counsel copies the government and BOP on our emails on medical issues because doing so helps protect Mr. Schulte’s health and safety.

What a wonderfully clear demonstration on the government's part as to the level of importance to them of his health and safety.

Re: Handwritten complaint to the court by alleged CIA Vault 7 leaker

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Post by _cenw »

drewcoo wrote: post #21
themodelplumber wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's say all the charges on that page are true, and on the other side, take even half the allegations in his letter seriously...still, why are we treating a prisoner like this? Is it helping something?

He was known to be edgy, anger easily, and tended toward crackpot behavior. From all outward appearances, the CIA wants to break him. This would not seem unusual for them. Wikipedia has a barebones overview. I'd probably ignore the child porn allegations - that's a common way to smear folks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Schulte

>I'd probably ignore the child porn allegations - that's a common way to smear folks.

'Schulte referred to the child pornography he was accused of possessing as a "victimless crime"'.

Yeah, I'm not sure why you'd defend yourself like that in such a situation.

Re: Handwritten complaint to the court by alleged CIA Vault 7 leaker

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Post by pifm_guy »

somesortofthing wrote: post #17
themodelplumber wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's say all the charges on that page are true, and on the other side, take even half the allegations in his letter seriously...still, why are we treating a prisoner like this? Is it helping something?

This is what decades of two parties trying to outdo each other on being "tough on crime" looks like. These punishments do act as a deterrent to whistleblowing but that's not really why they were instituted in the first place. Prisoners are a really easy demographic to throw under the bus for political gain(not like they can vote) so you get these sorts of barbaric conditions for an ever increasing subsection of the p…

Prisoners in most countries can vote, to stop exactly things like this happening.

Re: Handwritten complaint to the court by alleged CIA Vault 7 leaker

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Post by mschuster91 »

_cenw wrote: post #24
drewcoo wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was known to be edgy, anger easily, and tended toward crackpot behavior. From all outward appearances, the CIA wants to break him. This would not seem unusual for them. Wikipedia has a barebones overview. I'd probably ignore the child porn allegations - that's a common way to smear folks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Schulte

>I'd probably ignore the child porn allegations - that's a common way to smear folks. 'Schulte referred to the child pornography he was accused of possessing as a "victimless crime"'. Yeah, I'm not sure why you'd defend yourself like that in such a situation.

It is a legitimate defense strategy - and one that actually has valid points, at least for stuff like anime "CSAM". IMO, societies should focus more on preventing the creation of real-life CSAM:

- teach children from a young age in an appropriate way about sex including what the names of genitalia are, so that in a court examination you don't have to argue about what "down there" means, and consent. Children can only report abuse if they have a third party telling them that what they experience is not normal.

- provide infrastructure for potential pedophiles to get help. In Germany, we have the campaign "Kein Täter werden" since 2005 and oh boy, that was a mess to get started due to the (justified) public stigma against pedophiles, but it ended up preventing thousands of crimes [1].

- for the US: ban home-schooling and force all children through the public or accredited private school system so that (religious) cults can't go and indoctrinate young children into being breeding mares or abuse them with virtual impunity

- provide teachers with enough resources (time and training) that they can spot signs of abuse (and not just sexual, but also physical and emotional!) early on

- provide get-help infrastructure nationwide: anonymous phone help lines, "safe houses" for people of all genders and ages attempting to flee domestic violence and sexual abuse, easy and equitable access to restraining orders, provide CPS with enough financial and staff resources to do their job properly...

Unfortunately, the first three measures are highly politically charged and so won't pass, and the last one is expensive so it won't pass either, and as a result children all over the country end up being abused with no way of getting help or worse, not even knowing that they could get help.

[1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kein_T%C3%A4ter_werden#Ergebni...

Re: Handwritten complaint to the court by alleged CIA Vault 7 leaker

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Post by P5fRxh5kUvp2th »

_cenw wrote: post #24
drewcoo wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was known to be edgy, anger easily, and tended toward crackpot behavior. From all outward appearances, the CIA wants to break him. This would not seem unusual for them. Wikipedia has a barebones overview. I'd probably ignore the child porn allegations - that's a common way to smear folks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Schulte

>I'd probably ignore the child porn allegations - that's a common way to smear folks. 'Schulte referred to the child pornography he was accused of possessing as a "victimless crime"'. Yeah, I'm not sure why you'd defend yourself like that in such a situation.

That one seemed odd to me, what I'm wondering if it's hentai images. I can't think of any other way for it to be a victimless crime.

Re: Handwritten complaint to the court by alleged CIA Vault 7 leaker

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Post by jonathanstrange »

sschueller wrote: post #16

Maybe this helps Assange from not getting extradited since this is clearly against international law and many places will not extradite you to a place that commits theses kind of crimes against it's prisoners.

Quite honestly, no person should ever be extradited to US prisons, no matter for which crime. The utterly inhumane conditions in US prisons are well-known and well-documented. Many US prisons are engaged in massive and habitual human rights abuses. On a side note, in my experience only people from the US habitually make "don't drop the soap" prison rape jokes.

Re: Handwritten complaint to the court by alleged CIA Vault 7 leaker

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Post by akira2501 »

themodelplumber wrote: post #8
zppln wrote: post #3

Seems like it's supposedly written by this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Schulte

Let's say all the charges on that page are true, and on the other side, take even half the allegations in his letter seriously...still, why are we treating a prisoner like this? Is it helping something?

You'd have to apply the same skeptical eye to his letter as well, I'd think.

If the charges that he was using a smuggled phone and directly subverting the courts orders, then these could be seen as reasonable consequences of those decisions; if you assume this person is in full control of their mental health.

If the charges are entirely true, then I think the fair assumption is that this person is not.

Re: Handwritten complaint to the court by alleged CIA Vault 7 leaker

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Post by _kbh_ »

vintermann wrote: post #20
tedunangst wrote: post #15

Previously, the government gave him a laptop to help prepare his own defense after he decided to represent himself, but then he copied child porn onto it, so they took it away and he had to use a typewriter. https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23126482/220923-halt-...

Do you really believe that? Or maybe you don't really care about the truth of it, but find it convenient for your career and peace of mind to just go along with whatever his torturers say?

> Schulte referred to the child pornography he was accused of possessing as a "victimless crime"

Whilst im sceptical of these charges, this doesn't really help his case.

Certainly sounds like he is just admitting he has it.

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