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Re: After 20 years the Dwarf Fortress devs have to get used to being millionaires

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Post by unity1001 » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 4:58 AM UTC

chaostheory wrote: post #300

unity1001 wrote: post #189

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The capitalist European governments that are being elected are privatizing healthcare. The first step for doing that is defunding public healthcare to make people say that 'it doesnt work - its better in private hospitals'. Then you say you have to privatize the entire system. It also funnels people to private hospitals early - when you defund public healthcare and force people into long wait times, they have no opti…

Finite resources don’t disappear when you change economic systems, and neither does corruption. To me, what changes with different economic systems is the currency. With capitalist systems, currency is obvious. However in socialist systems, the currency tends to be political power and connections. Otherwise, you’ll have to wait in lines just like everyone else. Neither system is perfect and they both have pros and co…

> However in socialist systems, the currency tends to be political power and connections.

That's objectively false and its a perception that is based on the Angloamerican cold war propaganda.

With all the 'power and influence', the 'elites' of Eastern Bloc did not live so much more in luxury compared to their own people.

If an ordinary person got his house at the age of ~35, a party official got it a few years earlier. If an ordinary person drived an X years old car, the official drove a 4-5 year newer car.

The catch is, all the citizens in the Eastern Bloc systems got their houses, cars, guaranteed jobs, education, healthcare, childcare, paid vacations, paid maternity leave, retirement and all that stuff.

They were very surprised when they changed to capitalism and learned that none of those were guaranteed under capitalism. Now they have so much freedom.

Re: After 20 years the Dwarf Fortress devs have to get used to being millionaires

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Post by unity1001 » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 5:02 AM UTC

adventured wrote: post #234

unity1001 wrote: post #189

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The capitalist European governments that are being elected are privatizing healthcare. The first step for doing that is defunding public healthcare to make people say that 'it doesnt work - its better in private hospitals'. Then you say you have to privatize the entire system. It also funnels people to private hospitals early - when you defund public healthcare and force people into long wait times, they have no opti…

Most affluent European nations have seen net negative economic growth for the past 15-20 years, and in some cases for a generation (France and Britain). Now they're commonly seeing population contraction or flattening. They already have high taxes. They're in deep shit and it has little to do with Capitalists taking over their healthcare systems. The math was always going to take them here. Only per capita economic g…

> Most affluent European nations have seen net negative economic growth for the past 15-20 years, and in some cases for a generation (France and Britain).

Economic growth is a meaningless term in itself. There was so much growth in the US, and what did it do for the majority? A tiny ~1% or less got extremely rich. But the majority are not able to feed themselves.

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/13/americas-dirty-little-secret...

> They're in deep shit and it has little to do with Capitalists taking over their healthcare systems.

The capitalists took over the economy of entire Europe starting with Thatcher/Reagan.

> The math was always going to take them here

This sounds like religious sermon. There is a magical 'math', which makes everyone happy when there is 'growth'. Like how it obviously did in the US.

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That has nothing to do with it. Growth, or contraction, has nothing to do with people having public healthcare since public healthcare is run over the fraction of the GDP that people generate. If there are less people, there is less GDP, but less need for healthcare. If there are more people, you need more healthcare spending but there are more people that generate GDP.

Its capitalism. Unequal distribution of wealth can never be sustained even with gigantic growth. Like the US demonstrated since Reagan.

Re: After 20 years the Dwarf Fortress devs have to get used to being millionaires

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Post by unity1001 » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 5:06 AM UTC

mtts wrote: post #328

unity1001 wrote: post #186

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Yes, its a global issue since last 40 years - im reposting what i posted to the GP: > Wait times for medical care seem surreal. Its due to the governments defunding public healthcare in order to 'strangle it then save it'. You defund it, make people say 'it doesnt work', then say that "We need to privatize it." Its de facto privatization method used since Reagan/Thatcher. Same method is being used in any country that…

Any proof for this? Because in the Netherlands wait times are increasing because, get this, more (old) people are using health care. This increases pressure on the people who work in health care so they burn out, leaving fewer people to pick up the work, who then burn out, lather, rinse, repeat. Salaries in health care are not fantastic, true, but the people burning out do so because they have to work too hard, not b…

> Any proof for this?

Its amazing how people are still unaware of this after so many documentaries, reports, advocacy on the matter.

Just google. "Neoliberal privatization tactics", "Economic hitmen" (that was a pretty popular take), neoliberalism etc.

> more (old) people are using health care.

Irrelevant. The number of older people in any country is not enough to bankrupt healthcare systems Healthcare is a function of the percentage of national GDP spent on it. If there are more people, you have more GDP, you can spend more. If you have less people, you cant spend more but you also have less people.

Blaming the problems on irrelevant 'reasons' is one of the ways in which privatization is hidden from sight - just check how many cuts have been made to the healthcare spending in your own country in the past 40 years, and how much. There you will have your answer.

Re: After 20 years the Dwarf Fortress devs have to get used to being millionaires

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Post by unity1001 » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 5:08 AM UTC

Ygg2 wrote: post #199

unity1001 wrote: post #185

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> Wait times for medical care seem surreal. Its due to the governments defunding public healthcare in order to 'strangle it then save it'. You defund it, make people say 'it doesnt work', then say that "We need to privatize it." Its de facto privatization method used since Reagan/Thatcher. Same method is being used in any country that ends up with a 'privatizing' government.

No, it isn't. Public health is just difficult to fund. Especially on a shrinking population.

Its not. Its a percentage of GDP. Shrinking populations produce less GDP. But they have less people to support.

There is no country in the world where public healtchare is failing without getting DEFUNDED intentionally.

Re: After 20 years the Dwarf Fortress devs have to get used to being millionaires

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Post by unity1001 » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 5:09 AM UTC

Retric wrote: post #370

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More and more, I continue to be shocked that countries in this position didn't end up letting covid run its course. Seems like after some initial difficulties, it could have helped balance their demographics a lot.

Are you actually surprised governments didn’t decided to kill a few million of their own citizens?

They did. With not locking down early, claiming that it was 'nothing', not providing them support during the lockdown, then reopening early. All for the sake of the stockmarket and 'the economy'.

Re: After 20 years the Dwarf Fortress devs have to get used to being millionaires

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Post by unity1001 » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 5:10 AM UTC

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Yes it is. I live in Ontario. The provincial (conservative) government literally froze the wages of nurses and other public sector workers in 2019 (see Bill 124), creating a massive exodus of nurses and a severe staff shortage. The provincial government doesn't have money to pay nurses, but it has enough money to build a useless highway (see Highway 413) that just so happens to go through land owned by the Premier's…

> Yes it is. I live in Ontario. The provincial (conservative) government Sure, just be a socialistic/communist government and be able to finance the pension system while depending on US money (because there isn't any good alternative), once you go too much into debt and deal with IMF, and be sure not to defund important services (like medicine) when they ask you causing bank runs and bankrupcy. Easy, no? Oh, and make…

> Sure, just be a socialistic/communist government and be able to finance the pension system while depending on US money (because there isn't any good alternative)

Why the hell would they depend on US money if they become a socialistic/communist government that channels its GDP to its people instead of channeling it to tax breaks for the rich.

> corruption

No problem - they can just legalize it under the name 'lobbying' like how US did it.

Re: After 20 years the Dwarf Fortress devs have to get used to being millionaires

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Post by unity1001 » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 5:12 AM UTC

kodah wrote: post #379

INTPenis wrote: post #309

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Yeah this is a global offensive by the plutocrats to discredit public health care. It's going on in the UK, in Sweden too. When are people going to wake up and smell the class war?

Is there evidence of this or is it just a feeling?

The evidence is how many cuts have been made to your country's healthcare spending in the past 40 years. And how much. And the accompanying increase of laws that encourage private hospitals and insurance, and the channeling of the healthcare to those.

Re: After 20 years the Dwarf Fortress devs have to get used to being millionaires

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Post by chaostheory » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 5:43 AM UTC

unity1001 wrote: post #424

Ygg2 wrote: post #199

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No, it isn't. Public health is just difficult to fund. Especially on a shrinking population.

Its not. Its a percentage of GDP. Shrinking populations produce less GDP. But they have less people to support. There is no country in the world where public healtchare is failing without getting DEFUNDED intentionally.

It is hard if the population is shrinking because the two shrinking parts of the population, children & working adults, are essential for GDP and tax revenue; while the growing numbers of retired seniors just put even more strain on the system. There’s a threshold when taxes get too overwhelming.

You’re still down to some major choices:

* End immigration and end public benefits like healthcare

* Keep immigration and keep healthcare for now. Then pray that someone finds a solution someday to a shrinking population because immigration will only slow it down.

* Drastically increase taxes. This isn’t really a viable long term solution because in most places that have a lot of socialized benefits the taxes are already very high.

Re: After 20 years the Dwarf Fortress devs have to get used to being millionaires

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Post by npteljes » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 9:08 AM UTC

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Works great on Proton!

Thanks, I have been on Linux for 10+ years but really haven't played much games yet, I did buy Portal on Steam for Linux ages ago. But, I hadn't heard of Proton until just now from you all! I guess I'll go see how to get that up and running.

I'm a happy user of Proton. You can even make non-steam applications run with it, by just creating a launcher for them in Steam. Also neat that you can have, and switch easily between multiple Proton versions, if the application misbehaves.

Re: After 20 years the Dwarf Fortress devs have to get used to being millionaires

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Post by npteljes » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 9:28 AM UTC

decremental wrote: post #115

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He said he found gay pride parades offensive, suggested that there should be hetero parades in response, and then said that anyone that disagrees with him should be shot. He's certainly entitled to his opinions on being offended by pride parades, but suggesting those that don't agree should be shot certainly crosses the line. That is just one example. He also has been very anti-trans.

Here's some stuff I found. > In 2017, he voiced his support for Gamergate, an alt-right and sexist movement that largely targeted women, LGBTQ, and other minority groups in the industry. At the time, he referred to feminism as a “social disease,” claiming on Twitter that feminists were “overtly sexist against men.” At one point, Persson said that anyone who opposed “heterosexual pride day” should be “shot” and also t…

"Should be shot" is not just stupid, it's hateful. The regime where you kill for holding opinion is authoritarianism.

The other comments of his don't look like they mean much, but only if you look at them at a surface level, which with human communications, you basically never should. Context matters a lot, and the context of his messages is not a world where people get fair treatment, but a world full of issues. "Homosexual day" might sound random, or unwarranted, if you're not familiar with the issues of queer folk, but they are still not safe in the world, despite decades of social advancements.

Finally, being "normal", or belonging to a majority, doesn't make something morally valid. Because the majority is also comprised of individuals, humans, they can also fail, and they can, and can be made, to fail on a major scale as well.