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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by KyleJune »

oliveshell wrote: post #95
KyleJune wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the booing in person and Dave Chappelle's comment about the booing being pending civil unrest spooked Elon a bit. His right wing shit posting on twitter reaches a lot of people and many dislike him for it. I've been seeing a lot more people posting about boycotting Tesla and associating ownership with his views. I drive a Tesla and frequently people bring up Elon to me. I usually just tell people I don't like/c…

> Maybe the booing in person and Dave Chappelle's comment about the booing being pending civil unrest spooked Elon a bit One can only hope.

Looks like that wasn't it.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944

Seems a bit of a stretch to blame the creator of elonjet for a stalker being able to find his car. The flight information is public information. Even if it wasn't and/or he flew commercial, people would probably be posting about where they saw him due to him being a public figure.

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Post by jacquesm »

darkteflon wrote: post #43

Im reminded of this excellent article from a mere 12 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33832866

They missed the 'Boss someone did something that is ok by all of our rules, in fact the ones that you yourself set and publicly announced but that are probably going to upset you'.

As the once-upon-a-time moderator of a very large website this list reads all too familiar. Thanks for posting it!

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by ceejayoz »

meepmorp wrote: post #149
postmeta wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

maybe they followed the car from the airport?

maybe they recognized him at an intersection and followed him?

Even if they found him by tracking the plane, a stalker could do that on ADSBexchange... or with a $15 piece of electronics.

He had a hard-on for the @elonjets account well before this alleged incident.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by chii »

Thorentis wrote: post #289
djur wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's definitely hard to figure out the logic where it's OK to ban someone for posting plane data because it might be misused for dangerous while it's bad evil censorship to ban the President while he's actively trying to overturn the results of a lawful election.

Contesting the results of an election is entirely different to publishing location data with the intent to cause physical harm. Disputing election results is also part of the democratic process, even if you disagree with it, and should be encouraged. There is nothing in the public interesting concerned with stalking people.

> Disputing election results is also part of the democratic process, even if you disagree with it, and should be encouraged.

no, a democratic election with proper monitoring will not have a dispute on the election result - after all, you would be monitoring the counting process.

What happened in jan is not a dispute of the election, it's a refusal to accept the results of the election. Aka, an attempted coup.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by ncallaway »

akiselev wrote: post #312
plandis wrote: post #126

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Legal action being taken against the person who pulled public flight information and published already public information? The sad part is I’m sure Elon can bury this guy in fees even if the lawsuit is ultimately ruled as entirely without merit.

IANAL so correct me if I’m wrong but it looks like Musk has a decent chance of getting SLAPPed back [1] to kingdom come. Twitter may be a private entity but the lawsuit is clearly meant to stifle the distribution of public information. Now that he owns one of the largest social media platforms used to distribute stuff like CALFire emergency announcements, that jet information is not only already public but arguably t…

It would depend on where the lawsuit is filed. Anti-SLAPP statutes are state laws, and vary wildly by state from very strong laws, weak laws with almost no teeth, to no laws at all.

Unfortunately this means enterprising billionaires might be able to forum shop the SLAPP lawsuit to states where it’s less likely to bite them later.

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Post by jacquesm »

Jeffwoo wrote: post #327
karmicthreat wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could be true, could be a convenient lie. It's not like Elon is above the trust thermocline anymore.

"Jack Sweeney said the last time his bot tweeted anything was Dec. 12 "which is not last night, so I don’t get how that’s connected.”" So not sure how Musk thinks it's related.

That lie didn't last long.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by ggm »

_JoRo wrote: post #311
ggm wrote: post #155

It's a private space. He can do what he likes. We draw conclusions about what we think, but thats going to good-or-bad justified-or-unjustified consistent-or-inconsistent as matters of opinion. I note that he said he wanted a space with less constraint. He said it quite simply and directly. He's capable of both changing his mind, and in believing this is consistent, and in not caring either way. I left twitter some t…

I'm curious where people see Musk in terms of his politics. I see him as center/right-center (U.S) with the occasional right troll post. The part that I don't like about him taking over Twitter is this: When he initially took over I was under the impression that he wanted to promote a free-speech platform that is primarily designed for thoughtful dialogue between people. However, I'm not sure the platform will trend…

I used to believe his brand of libertarianism was an attempt at "neutral right" but the anti-union thing really strongly tilts right. He has since declared publicly he backs a GOP outcome. Given some of whats going on in the GOP that makes it very very hard to put him soft-right because a declaration of preference like that demands questions: what does he think about J6 and what does he think about vote suppression.

His commercial engagements in Europe and Asia (china) do not actually define him politically one way or another. Nor does the starlink/Ukraine thing although I value that immensely as a buffer against destruction of telecommuniations utility functions in Ukraine.

Several respectable US political long-term trends analysis suggest the GOP cannot be used as a "pole" in left-right center discussions unless you accept it has moved significantly rightward on many fundamental matters of civil rights. Views which previously would have been considered untenable have become normalised, and the overton window has shifted. It used to be the overlap in right DNC and left GOP was strong. It's no longer the case.

I am of course Partisan in this. I don't believe the shift has been a "both sides" thing. But others might disagree.

TL;DR what makes you right leaning now, puts you very firmly right in any 10+ year analysis of what "right" side is.

I should also be clear I am neither a US voter nor US citizen or resident so my views may count for significantly less no matter what.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by djanogo »

Elonjet was marked as automatic bot account. Both the bot and Sweeneys accounts were suspended. After updating the location policy Elonjet was unbanned.

However, Sweeney started using elonjet bot account to tweet his non-bot stuff and it got banned. I assume ban is for incorrect use of account or getting around his personal ban.

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Post by hunterb123 »

VectorLock wrote: post #239
hunterb123 wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wait so you're saying doxing is on the same level as dissenting the government? one thing is broadcasting personal information about a citizen, one is protecting a citizens right to object to actions by their government. collecting public information is still doxxing. most doxxing involves only public information as it happens across the internet. edit: a downvote is not a rebuttal, sorry, try again.

When he is crowing with #TwitterFiles faux leaks about how an internal cabal were making policy decisions about banning people, then making an extra-policy decision banning something he didn't like (posting public information) and then trying to backport policy for it.. The whole thing rings a bit hollow.

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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by giaour »

robomartin wrote: post #207
dfghjkl2589 wrote: post #140

legal asked us to ban it again after they learned elon's goal. which was to shadownban-2.0 the account when needed to delay news of certain travel. he came up with the idea when we pointed out other smaller accounts started to post the info and we were considering flagging them as bot last week.

> to delay news of certain travel That does not sound unreasonable to me at all. In other words, the idea that some posts might warrant a delay for a range of issues or to allow for investigation. That, to me, again, sounds very sensible. In the case of the travel plans of certain high-profile people, you know, with so many crazy folks out there, yes, sure, give the news enough of a delay so the person can safely get…

Aircraft location data cannot be "delayed" for some very obvious public safety reasons. The FAA requires that every aircraft loudly announce itself at all times unless they're on the ground.
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