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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by schiffern »

mplewis wrote: post #278
nightowl_games wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How can you tell me... ? I'm not presenting this as fact but the argument is clearly that Musk's net effect on the global population is positive through his career choice and life's work, and that jetting around is necessary for him to complete this life's work.

The thing that makes me think twice about that argument is that Elon has just spent an enormous sum of money on a social media website that doesn’t seem to further the goals of materially improving the world.

It's not all-or-nothing. Musk can still deliver a net environmental benefit without every activity being directed solely toward that goal.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by [deleted] »

_JoRo wrote: post #274
billiam wrote: post #248

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This is complete idiocy. Celebrities and billionaires don't get special speech rights. There are very good reasons all aircraft are tracked publicly. If Elmo's plane ever goes down or gets hijacked he might appreciate why. According to Twitter's new "policy" any person who takes a picture of someone in front of the Eiffel tower or any recognizable place can be accused of doxxing and banned.

I doubt the policy covers one-offs like this - I'm guessing it's more for continuous tracking.

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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by boringg »

nightowl_games wrote: post #275
ClassicOrgin wrote: post #263

What I really like about ElonJet and Sweeney's other accounts is they included emission estimates. Really blew a hole in the idea that you could ever consider Musk or Gates to be environmentalists. A recent Musk flight between Washington and Miami emitted 9 tons of CO2 [1], which is nearly double what a fuel inefficient car would emit each year. How can you tell me I'm the problem with my single truck and couple of c…

> How can you tell me... ? I'm not presenting this as fact but the argument is clearly that Musk's net effect on the global population is positive through his career choice and life's work, and that jetting around is necessary for him to complete this life's work.

Agree this is the argument. I find it funny that people point to his individual CO2e footprint as kind of this gotcha moment. So thoughtless.

The baseline condition is everyone is still in ICE cars -- he changed that and have altered the trajectory - the transaction cost is his own emission to raise capital and build companies. Now add in the CH4 rocket fuel - might do some counter damage to the net impact but I haven't run the calculations -- probably could do a quick one. Should be using H2 if he cared about the environment ;)

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by itbeho »

A thought experiment would be to wonder if the same people that think it's ok to share "public" knowledge of the location of Elon's jet would agree to the same for Hillary Clinton, Obama, Newsom or Fauci.

I'm genuinely curious how uniformly these beliefs are held, or if it's just a determination that Musk ain't in the club any longer and is considered fair game.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by boringg »

WatchDog wrote: post #247
benced wrote: post #199

I don’t think it’s crazy for Twitter to ban stuff like this. The damning part is just that it explicitly goes against the stuff Musk has repeatedly said!

Yeah, the hypocrisy is what annoys me the most. Not only does it contradict his direct statement about not banning @elonjet, it contradicts his statements about twitter policy being decided by a committee, as well as his numerous other statements about allowing free speech in general. The policy itself I think makes some sense, although it's interpretation is ripe for abuse, just posting any random picture of someone…

The hypocrisy is completely it. His entire position recently is completely counter to what he just did.

If it is because he is concerned for his offspring likely he's having a how to protect my family vs how do I not be a hypocrit moment.

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Post by sleepybrett »

650REDHAIR wrote: post #210
robomartin wrote: post #207

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> to delay news of certain travel That does not sound unreasonable to me at all. In other words, the idea that some posts might warrant a delay for a range of issues or to allow for investigation. That, to me, again, sounds very sensible. In the case of the travel plans of certain high-profile people, you know, with so many crazy folks out there, yes, sure, give the news enough of a delay so the person can safely get…

All billionaires should be tracked 100% of the time.

I'll do you one better, billionaires should not allowed to exist.

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Post by myvoiceismypass »

memish wrote: post #35
hesInstigating wrote: post #25

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He’s instigated death threats against Fauci. No one asked either of them to be public figures. They can go away whenever they want. Their status is not an immutable law of reality and humanity tends to have a history of not giving a toss about being helicoptered by self aggrandizing individuals. The data is available real time by law elsewhere. He’s not routing around anything, just trying to insulate himself from co…

> He’s instigated death threats against Fauci. No he has not. In fact I bet you can't show us where he's called for anyone's death.

Yeah and there was no impetus for the Paul Pelosi attack. Right.

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Post by SXX »

Thorentis wrote: post #289
djur wrote: post #215

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It's definitely hard to figure out the logic where it's OK to ban someone for posting plane data because it might be misused for dangerous while it's bad evil censorship to ban the President while he's actively trying to overturn the results of a lawful election.

Contesting the results of an election is entirely different to publishing location data with the intent to cause physical harm. Disputing election results is also part of the democratic process, even if you disagree with it, and should be encouraged. There is nothing in the public interesting concerned with stalking people.

Can you prove there were ever intent to cause physical harm?

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by jacquesm »

itbeho wrote: post #294

A thought experiment would be to wonder if the same people that think it's ok to share "public" knowledge of the location of Elon's jet would agree to the same for Hillary Clinton, Obama, Newsom or Fauci. I'm genuinely curious how uniformly these beliefs are held, or if it's just a determination that Musk ain't in the club any longer and is considered fair game.

If they own private jets then that information is already out there. Why would you have to wonder about this?

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by andrewflnr »

ProjectArcturis wrote: post #241
andirk wrote: post #220

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His son is named X?? Isn't that the name of his first company that he abandoned? X.com . Man this story's boring. I hope Lil Nas X's jet is ok.

Yup, the dude who's making fun of neo-pronouns is the one who named his kid X Æ A-Xii Musk.

I've always assumed that was more Grimes's idea, FWIW.
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