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That is publicly available information. How hard is to grasp that?
Do you have kids?
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Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account
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They banned it again about 8 minutes ago. I was scrolling through the linked thread when it got suspended and the tweets disappeared.
He should make up his mind about this 'free speech' thing and then stick to whatever decision he comes up with for at least a couple of months. This is beyond silly.
In general I'm an Elon fan but it's funny watching him kinda learn why things are the way they are.
He supported it in theory until he learned that it could affect not just him but his family.
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wait so you're saying doxing is on the same level as dissenting the government? one thing is broadcasting personal information about a citizen, one is protecting a citizens right to object to actions by their government. collecting public information is still doxxing. most doxxing involves only public information as it happens across the internet. edit: a downvote is not a rebuttal, sorry, try again.
Aircraft are not citizens.
So you wouldn't mind your car being tracked and publicly broadcast?
It is just an automobile after all, and vehicles aren't citizens...
Cue fallback argument.
EDIT: added clarification to distinguish between Tweeting coordinates and Onstar services.
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Are cars reporting real-time location to some online services? Good that cars dont do it unlike private jets! That would be terrible for privacy... /s
Yeah what kind of car maker would pioneer something like that?
I hope you're not thinking about Tesla? This long predates Tesla.
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wait this is wild, so much for free speech 2.0
wait so you're saying doxing is on the same level as dissenting the government? one thing is broadcasting personal information about a citizen, one is protecting a citizens right to object to actions by their government. collecting public information is still doxxing. most doxxing involves only public information as it happens across the internet. edit: a downvote is not a rebuttal, sorry, try again.
If you want to fly around in a jet, you have to follow the rules for jets.
The idea that posting publicly available information to Twitter transforms it is silly.
Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account
#226legal asked us to ban it again after they learned elon's goal. which was to shadownban-2.0 the account when needed to delay news of certain travel. he came up with the idea when we pointed out other smaller accounts started to post the info and we were considering flagging them as bot last week.
> to delay news of certain travel That does not sound unreasonable to me at all. In other words, the idea that some posts might warrant a delay for a range of issues or to allow for investigation. That, to me, again, sounds very sensible. In the case of the travel plans of certain high-profile people, you know, with so many crazy folks out there, yes, sure, give the news enough of a delay so the person can safely get…
arguments for a separate class of citizens with special speech restrictions in order to aid them is some oligarch simpery non-pareil
Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account
#227The idea that this is somehow doxxing is beyond ridiculous. It's public data thaat anyone can read on a website (eg flightradar) or pick up themselves with a cheap receiver. That system is ADS-B. Knowing your plane (and not necessarily you) is at 37,000 feet above Iowa only represents a threat to someone with a serious SAM capability or interceptor jets. Or even that it's at LAX. Think about this: we know where Air F…
To large extent, doxxing is providing public information in a venue it usually wouldn't be shown in, and where people with bad intentions who otherwise wouldn't think to look for that information will see it.
It's drawing attention to obscure public information, and most things that involve politeness do run on security by obscurity.
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Well so long as it's no longer the government asking him to censor things that aren't illegal and ban people they don't like, it's a private company so I don't see what the problem is.
It's only a problem if you want Twitter to survive as a platform where they at least try to uphold something akin to free speech. If you want it to become irrelevant then I guess it doesn't matter, and there is no problem. But if Elon says he wants it to be a place of free speech and he doesn't behave in a way that backs that up according to public opinion (which is highly subjective) then there will be some issues r…
I don't think banning of real time broadcasting private peoples' location and travel is all that bad. And if applied consistently regardless of political ideology of the broadcaster and the target, really isn't the death blow to free speech on the platform that people are trying to make out it is.
It's not quite the anything-that-is-not-illegal that Musk was blathering about (although it's possible it could run afoul of stalking laws in some countries/jurisdictions), but it's really nothing compared with the politically motivated and government involved censorship and banning that had been going on there.
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wait this is wild, so much for free speech 2.0
wait so you're saying doxing is on the same level as dissenting the government? one thing is broadcasting personal information about a citizen, one is protecting a citizens right to object to actions by their government. collecting public information is still doxxing. most doxxing involves only public information as it happens across the internet. edit: a downvote is not a rebuttal, sorry, try again.
Aircraft are all publicly tracked. All this account did was create a bot to take the info from the FAA site and post it to Twitter.
Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account
#230Why the weird Elon hate over this? My understanding was that this broke Twitter TOS and that he was leaving it up as a gesture of good faith. If he wants to take it down to keep things consistent across Twitter, why the hate? I know the Elon hate boner on HN is strong but this seems absurd.
There are several reasons why:
1. Hypocrisy. He publicly promised not to take it down and then done it in secret.
2. Twitter first shadow-banned account and only after being caught actually blocked it completely.
3. TOS been changed only after account was banned.
4. Supposedly their rules apply retroactively for prior posts.
5. Bot creator account was also banned so it was personal and not because TOS.
6. Most ADS-B tracking accounts were banned including those tracking government flights and not individuals.
PS: I dont have anything against "Elon Musk private person", but I were using Twitter for a long time so I share my thougths about his decision.